Broncos to trade Cutler

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha, that'd be something if the Broncos got Rogers (while still having Champ)

Guess it would explain why the Redskins are supposedly having private workouts with several DBs (other than Vontae Davis and Jeff Allen, I can't remember the rest).

I don't like it.. our secondary has been a very strong point

losing carlos on top of losing i might be on the field springs would honestly diminish what we had back there..

[Skinny Tee]

Let's keep in mind that we had to give up draft picks to move up to the 1st round in the draft and select Jason Campbell.

That means if we trade Campbell along with additional picks for Cutler that would be a two fold loss of draft pick value for one quarterback.

The end result is that we'll probably give away 4 or more draft picks to ultimately end up with Cutler. I can't say with certainty that Cutler will perform better than Campbell behind our OL. However, if the picks that were traded to move up for Campbell and possibly traded for Cutler, were spent on OL we could be in a lot better position to suit a new QB to our team.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Let's keep in mind that we had to give up draft picks to move up to the 1st round in the draft and select Jason Campbell.

That means if we trade Campbell along with additional picks for Cutler that would be a two fold loss of draft pick value for one quarterback.

The end result is that we'll probably give away 4 or more draft picks to ultimately end up with Cutler. I can't say with certainty that Cutler will perform better than Campbell behind our OL. However, if the picks that were traded to move up for Campbell and possibly traded for Cutler, were spent on OL we could be in a lot better position to suit a new QB to our team.

If Campbell doesn't work out then we give away half of that for nothing

[NM Redskin]

ESPN news reports Denver wants at least two first round picks and could be traded by as early as Friday

[NM Redskin]

and that they don't necessarily want a QB in return.

[Dirtbag59]

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

Now a lot is riding on Heyer and Rhinehart working their ass off this offseason and getting the proper technique they need to be effective, but I still suspect that part of the woes we had in pass protection were due to Campbell holding the ball to long. And if Cutler really is the quick decision maker that I think he is we will see a great improvement with our passing game.

The way I see it heres my priorities in building a team.

1. QB
2. D-Line
3. O-Line
4. Running Back
5. Linebackers
6. Secondary
7. Recievers/Tight End
8. Specialist

As you can see here as much as I love the O-line the fact remains that 25 year old pro-bowl level QB's don't come often and with one we might finally be able to break the spell of mediocraty.

Don't get me wrong Campbell is good, but in order to really take the Super Bowl talk seriously we need someone that can bring our offense to the next level. Someone that can make our recievers effective (I mean seriously do you think Eddie Royal was really that good of a pick?). Someone that will help make the box less crowded for Portis, Betts, and Sellers. Someone thats comprable to Romo, Eli, and McNabb. I honestly believe that Cutler is that guy and going after him is a risk we almost have to take.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

You probably shouldn't go there. Denver has a young line, but they have two pro-bowlers on it, and either of their Guards would have been the most valuable lineman on our team last year. They only place we might be better than them, ironically, is RT.

Although I'd still take a healthy Samuels over Clady, he's likely going to be an injury risk for the remainder of his career.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You probably shouldn't go there. Denver has a young line, but they have two pro-bowlers on it, and either of their Guards would have been the most valuable lineman on our team last year. They only place we might be better than them, ironically, is RT.

Although I'd still take a healthy Samuels over Clady, he's likely going to be an injury risk for the remainder of his career.

Your right. I forgot that Casey Wiegmann went to the pro bowl. Alright so we win 3-2 Dockery, Thomas (I still say he's better then Hamilton), and Samuels would all start in a Broncos-Redskins merger. Wiegmann and Clady would represent the Broncos but Clady would move over to RT.

Funny though. I guess Centers really are the second most important position on the line.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

It's getting really difficult to defend this team. In the past, we've been willing to sacrifice depth at critical positions by trading draft picks for players who, while perhaps looking good on paper, couldn't come in and play right guard in late November after injuries had thinned the roster. This willingness to forgo depth in order to bring in older guys, rather than merely the signing of free agents, has been the problem. This year, although many were quick to describe our free agency binge as certain to yield predictable results, I argued that coupled with a renewed focus on the draft, adding key players at positions of need was not the same old Redskins.

If this goes down, and that's a big if, this is worse than the same old Skins. Worse than Deion Sanders, worse than anything. Nothing against Cutler, who appears to be a genuine talent, but this team has needs he can't fix. Last year through 8 games, Jason Campbell was being discussed as a potential MVP candidate. When the offense line predictably fell apart with injuries, the entire execution of the offense unraveled. It appeared to be clear to even the most casual NFL fan: fix the offensive line and then you'll see what you have at QB.

In trading for Cutler, we are postponing our ability to fix and replenish the line through the draft so far into the future that you have to wonder if it can ever actually happen with this team. More importantly, we are signaling to anyone paying attention that through 12 years of bumbling front-office ineptitude, we have not learned a single thing. In bailing on the QB he drafted and groomed, I think the Skins are saying all that needs to be said about the stability that Joe Gibbs brought back here.

Basically this is gonna happen and this fing sucks. I am sick of it. I really just want to cry.

I cant freaking believe it. After all this patience bullshit VC and DS f up again. God these people have some serious problems. These guys just cant wait, and build something they want to see a overnight turnover. ARGHHHHHHHH I cant take it. I dont want to renounce my fanhood but this is really pushing it for me.

We are gonna lose a sweet ass LB or Olineman at 13 plus a 2nd AND JC. This is outta control

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A lot of people are talking about how Cutler wont' be successful here with the shape our lines in but the funny thing is Denver had a pretty bad line themselves. In fact on paper they're definitely worse. Put it this way, the only guy from Denvers O-Line that would have started for us is Ryan Clady and he's geared to be a pro-bowler in the near future.

Don't get me wrong Campbell is good, but in order to really take the Super Bowl talk seriously we need someone that can bring our offense to the next level. Someone that can make our recievers effective (I mean seriously do you think Eddie Royal was really that good of a pick?). Someone that will help make the box less crowded for Portis, Betts, and Sellers. Someone thats comprable to Romo, Eli, and McNabb. I honestly believe that Cutler is that guy and going after him is a risk we almost have to take.

I don't care what names they have there. They only allowed 12 sacks (11 on Cutler) for the year compared to our 38. Individuals aside, as a unit their line was better than ours. Also where is our Bradon Marshall because he's not following Cutler in this deal. Cutler won't have the same personnel so his personal stats aren't necessarily going to translate to our team.


If Culter is a risk that we almost have to take then what was it when we moved up to the 1st round, after drafting Rogers in the 1st, and drafted Campbell in '05? We've already assumed our risk with our current QB and there is no need for adding additional risk and instability to our franchise.

[hooskins]

two first rounders? That means Culter MUST be our QB for the next 10+ years without a doubt.

[hooskins]

As mentioned we moved up to the first round for Campbell, so if we traded Campbell along with Denvers apparent demands we are giving them THREE first round picks.

That is insane. The amount of talent for three picks does not equate to Cutler. I guess the good thing is we can call him JC too....

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by hooskins

We are gonna lose a sweet ass LB or Olineman at 13 plus a 2nd AND JC. This is outta control

Lol, thats if they let us off easy.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by hooskins

two first rounders? That means Culter MUST be our QB for the next 10+ years without a doubt.

The Broncos got what they wanted. They got the Redskins involved and now the price is through the roof for a player that is a problem for them. You'd think they'd have to relent on their demands since they are initiating trade talks for their problem.

How do they do it? Must be nice. Where are the Skins when we are looking trade value?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I don't care what names they have there. They only allowed 12 sacks (11 on Cutler) for the year compared to our 38. Individuals aside, as a unit their line was better than ours. Also where is our Bradon Marshall because he's not following Cutler in this deal. Cutler won't have the same personnel so his personal stats aren't necessarily going to translate to our team.


If Culter is a risk that we almost have to take then what was it when we move up to the 1st round, after drafting Rogers in the 1st, and draft Campbell in '05? We've already assumed our risk with our current QB and there is no need for adding additional risk and instability to our franchise.

Good post Tee. If Campbell had Marshall and was only sacked 12 times we would have been in the playoffs last year.