Redskins vs. Steelers Game Thread

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I liked the first play call... but yes it was well covered and jason campbell either by design or whatever didn't think about throwing anything BUT that ball, kind of hard to say what could have been, so we can only work with the reality

even if he went 6/7 on the next 7 we'd still be looking at 7/14, I don't know.. I need to see more chemistry between him and the receivers

It was worth it, if only to see Kelly's deep ball ability. The second deep ball went to Moss, and while it wasn't well thrown, I don't see exactly what Zorn was looking to accomplish on that play.

Considering he came back and ran the ball on the next down, I just don't get it. Are we trying to get in 3rd and long?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

It seemed that throw was decided at the moment of the snap.

Maybe. But on that first play I thought Kelly was open for a big gainer. JC threw the ball poorly, the defense caught up with Kelly, and Kelly couldn't reach it. I thought that play was a potential td until the errant pass. IMO.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's untouchable because we have two guys who have never taken an NFL snap, and a 38 year old in a relatively foreign offense behind him.

We always had strong QB depth in the Ramsey days, but if we released all of our QBs tomorrow, only Campbell would be employed next week.

Yeah, but we are not going to get anywhere with JC. We will always hover around .500 ball. And as for the Ramsey days? Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerffel? Strong QB depth my ass!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

a lot of positives today. for those who are knocking JC's 1/7, remember many were calling for those deep shots, and they probably did loosen up Pitt's D. We didn't see Palamalou reeking havoc, and our lines looked good.

The starting D on the first drive showed the fierceness I want to see, and Haynesworth just drove his guys up the field.

I am happy with this game. JC after the game said he didn't know Kelly had the burst and that's why he underthrew him. Ok, but haven't they been practicing?

Our Receiving corps will be very good. you wait and see. Kelly and Mitchell both have shown great hands. DT will find his niche, and Moss/ARE/Cooley will be gold.

And yet the game ends in typical Skins fashion, 4 point lead, other team with the ball, and fingers crossed. Can we blow out NE and payback (albeit preseason) the regular season game a few years ago. PLEASE!

GO SKINS!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It was worth it, if only to see Kelly's deep ball ability. The second deep ball went to Moss, and while it wasn't well thrown, I don't see exactly what Zorn was looking to accomplish on that play.

Considering he came back and ran the ball on the next down, I just don't get it. Are we trying to get in 3rd and long?

Definitely and yeah not sure why again.. and for the play calling unless it was strictly to just see what was there and nothing more

I'm suspect of Zorn's play calling as it is though

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

who do you see going for campbell at the moment? think he'd be a guaranteed starter?

Well, no, in this hypothetical he'd simply sign with someone who has an injury at quarterback. He's got starter potential, but he doesn't yet have starter value. In Jim Zorn's offense, he's a valuable quarterback. In a different offense, he's pretty replacable.

Think Byron Leftwich in 2007. In Jacksonville, he was a relative star. He lost a QB battle, got released, and was signed by Atlanta a week later. He was awful in Atlanta that year, but not at all because he was a bad quarterback.

In 2009, he's an NFL starting quarterback again, but he's lost the QB of future label for the rest of his career. Because of what happened in Jacksonville, he's now a journeyman. And it's not like he did anything wrong, necessarily. The team just thought Garrard was better.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, no, in this hypothetical he'd simply sign with someone who has an injury at quarterback. He's got starter potential, but he doesn't yet have starter value. In Jim Zorn's offense, he's a valuable quarterback. In a different offense, he's pretty replacable.

Think Byron Leftwich in 2007. In Jacksonville, he was a relative star. He lost a QB battle, got released, and was signed by Atlanta a week later. He was awful in Atlanta that year, but not at all because he was a bad quarterback.

In 2009, he's an NFL starting quarterback again, but he's lost the QB of future label for the rest of his career. Because of what happened in Jacksonville, he's now a journeyman. And it's not like he did anything wrong, necessarily. The team just thought Garrard was better.

fair enough, makes sense

[GTripp0012]

And that's essentially the issue here when people ask, what has Campbell ever done to deserve an unquestioned starters role. Nothing, necessarily. But lets say for argument that Tavaris Jackson was a Redskin who was competing with Campbell for the job. Would it make sense to decide two weeks from tonight that Tavaris Jackson should be the starter and Jason Campbell should be released?

What if the Jaguars, instead of giving Garrard a chance, labeled him as a "career backup" and decided, on a complete whim, that instead of going with Leftwich in the offseason, that they should trade a first round pick and a third round pick for JP Losman, who was coming off a career high in both Yards and TDs in 2006? Is that logical? You could have made an argment that Losman was a franchise quarterback and Leftwich was not (at the time), but does that make the move defensible?

[GTripp0012]

Kyle Orton just threw a left handed interception.

Full disclosure (as not to be Solomon Wilcots): it was fourth down

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, no, in this hypothetical he'd simply sign with someone who has an injury at quarterback. He's got starter potential, but he doesn't yet have starter value. In Jim Zorn's offense, he's a valuable quarterback. In a different offense, he's pretty replacable.

Think Byron Leftwich in 2007. In Jacksonville, he was a relative star. He lost a QB battle, got released, and was signed by Atlanta a week later. He was awful in Atlanta that year, but not at all because he was a bad quarterback.

In 2009, he's an NFL starting quarterback again, but he's lost the QB of future label for the rest of his career. Because of what happened in Jacksonville, he's now a journeyman. And it's not like he did anything wrong, necessarily. The team just thought Garrard was better.

So basically we agree I guess about JC. Also Zorn's future is indeed tied in with JC's. I still think Zorn should open QB up for competition, just to motivate JC anyway.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kyle Orton just threw a left handed interception.

Full disclosure (as not to be Solomon Wilcots): it was fourth down

just saw that ha

[90pressLead]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Pretty happy with what I saw out of both Mason and Dorsey. I think Dorsey ultimately actually has a better shot because of his punt return abilities

Dorsey Has the potential to be a real threat on 3rd down. Sprowlesian.

[diehardskin2982]

I hope mason makes it as the 3rd running back, he has real talent

[SmootSmack]

Chase Stays Humble

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I hope mason makes it as the 3rd running back, he has real talent

I have been bashing Mason regularly but I was pretty happy with what I saw tonight. He does not look like a 3rd stringer when he is out there with the third stringers. The thing is... do you take him over Cartwright with our "teams" struggling already? What about Dorsey, who also looked good?

Then you start thinking about those last roster spots. Who would you rather have? Mason or Mitchell? What about Mason or Wynn (or Jackson)? I hate to give Vinny props because people may go on a tirade but it seems like there are going to be some really tough roster decisions. I know it is only one game but how do you cut Mitchell at this point? I remember the lovefest for Jimmy Farris but Mitchell seems like the real deal....