Expectations for the rest of the season...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

How??

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?

Sells subs.

[mooby]

Man just when you think this franchise can't embarrass itself any further, they keep lowering the bar. I really hope the relationship between RG3 and the Skins can be repaired after the cost we gave up to get him, but I think we all know how this ends.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How??

Lot of distrust/frustration

And each injury just delays the process

[Chico23231]

Redskins FS Ryan Clark is fully expected to retire after the season.

Clark, 35, just doesn't have it anymore, and hasn't had it for the past couple years. He's been a massive part of the problem on the back end for the Redskins, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 85 safety out of 86 qualifiers and struggling in all phases of the game. Clark has a job waiting for him at ESPN.

per rotoworld

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Sells subs.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Unbelievable. We trade a buttload of picks for a guy who can't even make it through his rookie contract.

This is a serious indictment of both player and franchise.

Want even more unbelievable (yet totally believeable)? Since 2000 Chris Samuels is the ONLY first round pick to get a 2nd contract. Including 5 first round picks traded away during that time span, we've used 8 first round picks (trades involving picks from '03, '06 and '12, '13 & '14 plus Ramsey, Campbell and Griffin) in pick or trade at the QB position in that time period.

Orakpo is gone next year as is Griffin. Williams and Kerrigan will probably be extended but the track record in the first round is beyond abysmal. No wonder we are a raging dumpster fire year after year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

If you had to put a percentage to it, how much is the frustration for his off the field work (film study, preparation, study habits) vs. on the field (practice habits, game production, lack of improvement) for Griffin?

I've heard the biggest issues with Kirk are not so much the turnovers themselves but the fact that he lacks the guts/confidence/demeanor to bounce back and he gets down in the dumps too quickly. Can't deal with adversity. Any substance to that?

Has it gotten to a Rob vs. Kirk situation? I know it's been festering since the Cleveland game in 2012 and RG felt threatened by Kirk ever since. Do you think/is there a sense in the building that if there wasn't a Kirk or Colt that he would be more relaxed and perform better?

Any thought to bringing in an actual QB coach? McVay and Gruden have other duties and nobody is devoted to coaching up the QB position.

[Evilgrin]

Kirk is a change of pace QB off the bench, he isn't a good NFL starter.

If Griffin can't watch film, and sort of absorb reality. Then why keep trying? I'm all for keeping him, but he doesn't look like the same player on the field now. If he hasn't hit a point where his ego can step aside, they can't wait forever. Also, WTG Snyder once again.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.

I forbid the Redskins to trade RGIII to Dallas. It would be just our luck that he would turn around his career there and beat us twice a year. I hate Dallas too much to think there might be any chance of that happening.

[diehardskin2982]

Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.

Excellent post!

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Want even more unbelievable (yet totally believeable)? Since 2000 Chris Samuels is the ONLY first round pick to get a 2nd contract. Including 5 first round picks traded away during that time span, we've used 8 first round picks (trades involving picks from '03, '06 and '12, '13 & '14 plus Ramsey, Campbell and Griffin) in pick or trade at the QB position in that time period.

Orakpo is gone next year as is Griffin. Williams and Kerrigan will probably be extended but the track record in the first round is beyond abysmal. No wonder we are a raging dumpster fire year after year.

that's a sad stat....makes me wonder if we have the right scouting dept./talent evaluation in place.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Honestly, I think Robert's situation is all about Robert. He has to decide to want it, to do everything in his power to get better, become the player that he wants to be. It takes a lot to humble yourself and go to work on the mental stuff. Personally I would be walking across the street to Gruden's house and asking to study film with him. Put in the time to turn my career around.

Excellent post....very accurate. I completely agree with this. I think a small part of the problem developed during RGIII's great rookie year, he developed the belief that RGIII > Head coach. Until Griffen can run a pro system and win a few Superbowls that shit should never happen. This is the third coach (M. Shanahan, Gruden and Kyle S.) to have serious issues with RGIII. There is clearly a big ego with Superman socks on in the way of Griffens development as a pro. Griffen is a college QB playing in the NFL.
For me the proof came on the field when he came back from the dislocated ankle. He tried to win it all himself.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?

Yea I would like to know that also..I will say at first RGIII had way more potential than Colt but potential does not win games..his trade value will tell us what other teams think of him, in a QB starved league you would think that if RGIII is all that we should have no problem getting at least a second round pick ..my bet is we get nothing and he will be released .