When is Enough ,Enough?

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

No. The media certainly has the right to critique the meeting and the signed document/agreement thingy.



But when NBC Today show starts the show with what "Trump gave away" as a headline or CNN runs headlines on the website "Nothing was changed or gained" then we have a problem with honesty. You need to provide context, perspective and all the facts. You cant provide the American People half the facts, just like you cant declare victory from yesterday. A story as big as this should be framed properly. I know you don't get it, but

I love how you refer to the actual agreement as a “thingy”. Lol. Good job.

[Chico23231]

Well, Trump didn't give 4 billion to NK like Bill Clinton and then offered assistance in building Nuclear reactors (energy purposes only *wink)

or Trump didn't release 400 billion to Iran which the state department has evidence this money was used in an arms deal with Russia, arm rebels and engage in an proxy war in Yeman and finance terrorist operations against Israel via Hezbollah.....like Obama did.


Im sure you will give your approval of both...

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well, Trump didn't give 4 billion to NK like Bill Clinton and then offered assistance in building Nuclear reactors (energy purposes only *wink)



or Trump didn't release 400 billion to Iran which the state department has evidence this money was used in an arms deal with Russia, arm rebels and engage in an proxy war in Yeman and finance terrorist operations against Israel via Hezbollah.....like Obama did.





Im sure you will give your approval of both...

Are you referring to the 400 MILLION big difference that Obama did not give to Iran to release hostages? Where do you get your news? Fox? Facebook? Serious question.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...u-s-prisoners/

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Are you referring to the 400 MILLION big difference that Obama did not give to Iran to release hostages? Where do you get your news? Fox? Facebook? Serious question.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...u-s-prisoners/

Ha 400 billion is a lil much. We could finance their terror operations for the next 100 years. Thanks for catching that.

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Ha 400 billion is a lil much. We could finance their terror operations for the next 100 years. Thanks for catching that.

I will give 400 billion to someone that can make grass seed that grows instantly into lush green grass with no work involved. Seriously becoming a sloppy time to drink around my fire pit.
Seriously though- C Red made a comment earlier about how he was sure he could find a hypocritical video montage from msnbc where they change their tune on an issue based on which side was the perpetrator, and that was the only point i was trying to make this morning- i mean please watch that fox video i posted. Not sure how that bought us back to clinton and obama but Fox is the only media outlet doing a disservice- they literally have millions of Americans believing this morning that Trump has bought peace to the peninsula because he finally had the balls to speak with Kim face to face. In reality - this is the umpteenth time that Kim has “promised “ to de nuke, and they absolutely roasted Obama for the mere mention of doing such things. That is not a leftist spin it is exactly what has happened.

[Chico23231]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/s...world-cup.html


Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup

Give Trump credit for USA getting the World Cup


Someone on a roll this week...We got the bigly Soccer Cup!

[CRedskinsRule]

No you miss my point.

And it wasnt clearly expressed. Not sure i can. But here it goes.

My hypothesis is that had obama made a deal with nk instead if iran, the msm coverage would have run much like the love for obama around the iran deal. And if trump had made a deal with iran, it would have been him dealing with an evil empire and saying iran isnt trustworthy.


The news no longer cares what reality is only which side they want to present.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No you miss my point.

And it wasnt clearly expressed. Not sure i can. But here it goes.

My hypothesis is that had obama made a deal with nk instead if iran, the msm coverage would have run much like the love for obama around the iran deal. And if trump had made a deal with iran, it would have been him dealing with an evil empire and saying iran isnt trustworthy.


The news no longer cares what reality is only which side they want to present.

I hear you, but,..... CRed no liberal news media outlets are ripping Trump for meeting with Kim. They are ripping what he said and accomplished (or didn’t accomplish). Maybe they would have praised Obama if he said and accomplished the same thing. But that is a huge hypothetical. The right wing news media is clearly contradicting their stance on the actual meeting itself. They are clearly applauding this as a first step and ignoring what actually happened, and they clearly scoffed at Obama for wanting to meet with Kim?
Again apples and oranges.

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I have heard the liberal news media outlets give credit to Trump on several occasions. They may not make a habit of it but as left wingers you cannot expect them to get behind much of his policy and certainly have to understand they will never get behind his persona. I can also say I have NEVER heard Fox doubt or criticize Trump for anything. The man made fun of a handicapped person for christ sake. No if ands or buts about it and it was no big deal. They actually tried to say that is just the way Trump moves. Lol. If Obama had done that exact thing he would have “a special place in hell”. He would have been sub human, and they would have bought in handicapped people by the bus load to lament the words and gestures made by Obama.
The bias swings both ways because of policy and stance on what both sides believe is right and wrong. That is completely understandable. But again ive heard some bend from the left on several things Trump has said or done or signed. Not one time have i heard negative response from the right on anything Trump has ever said or done. Not once. Maybe it is because Trump himself cannot apologize. Central park 5, birtherism? Can he just admit he was wrong? Can Fox? The left does admit wrong. Obama has apologized. The right used to. Until Trump. This isn’t a right vs left thing anymore. It is left vs one man and the rights inability to ever say he was wrong about anything. Bias pendulum is clearly heavier on one side than it ever was before Trump.

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The leftist news media is literally just saying, “hey dont trust kim jung un, he has made hollow promises before”. “Do not take our troops/insurance policy off the peninsula “. “You gave alot of concessions based on a murderous dictators umpteenth promise to de nuke”. None of them are saying it was a bad idea to go there (like Fox did when obama wanted to). It is cautious optimism. It is Kim Jung Un for crying out loud. Trump wants to hear them all sing “for he is a jolly good fellow” and he deserves the nobel peace prize.
Trump is again making the news media out to be the enemy of the state because they wont cheer the “honest, smart, loving of his people Jung un”. It is crazy. Absolutely crazy. Let Trump take his victory lap. Let Fox News slobber all over a handshake and hollow promise of a mad man. Ill be damned if I will. How can he tweet that NK is no longer a nuclear threat, and expect the praise of the news media? It is lunacy. Obama, Clinton, Bush, effin George Washington would never jump to such absurd conclusions based on a photo op.

[CRedskinsRule]

Ok, let's be clear - I'm NOT a defender of Fox News, they are a clearly biased agents.

What I do believe, and think it's amazing when rational people can't see past their biases, is that CNN, and even moreso MSNBC are very much biased agents also.

Ultimately, with every presidency and presidential action, like with NFL drafts the full scope of the actions will be judged by the annals of time.

My belief is that Trump has navigated a very bad situation (NK with nukes) in an effective way, and the people handling the negotiations (which is not Trump but Pompeo and Bolton) are people I trust to ensure that we don't make irrevocable bad deals to get to a lasting peace.

I also believe that Obama was the equivalent of Chamberlain with the Iran deal. He was intent on having peace with Iran in his legacy but instead left them in a position to expand their territory and bases like Chamberlain did with Hitler.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ok, let's be clear - I'm NOT a defender of Fox News, they are a clearly biased agents.



What I do believe, and think it's amazing when rational people can't see past their biases, is that CNN, and even moreso MSNBC are very much biased agents also.



Ultimately, with every presidency and presidential action, like with NFL drafts the full scope of the actions will be judged by the annals of time.



My belief is that Trump has navigated a very bad situation (NK with nukes) in an effective way, and the people handling the negotiations (which is not Trump but Pompeo and Bolton) are people I trust to ensure that we don't make irrevocable bad deals to get to a lasting peace.



I also believe that Obama was the equivalent of Chamberlain with the Iran deal. He was intent on having peace with Iran in his legacy but instead left them in a position to expand their territory and bases like Chamberlain did with Hitler.

I can agree with pretty much all of this except when u called Bolton a peace maker. That made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. 🤢

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I can agree with pretty much all of this except when u called Bolton a peace maker. That made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. 🤢

Lol. Yeah I don't think I called Bolton a peacemaker I certainly did not mean to. What I did mean to say is that Bolton and Pompeo are going to actively make sure that any agreements signed are to the betterment of US policy and certainly if they don't get full denuclearization then Bolton particularly probably would just say "fine Nukem"

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Lol. Yeah I don't think I called Bolton a peacemaker I certainly did not mean to. What I did mean to say is that Bolton and Pompeo are going to actively make sure that any agreements signed are to the betterment of US policy and certainly if they don't get full denuclearization then Bolton particularly probably would just say "fine Nukem"

I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Lol. He is probably snooping around the Oval Office looking for the codes as we speak.

[CRedskinsRule]

One last thing, and I do - strongly - believe this, if NK moves at all out of China's sway, and starts to think that maybe they could have an economy like SK, that would give us a lot of sway in terms of human rights conditions. I understand that right now NK is abysmal, but we have zero sway over that, and they use our animosity as an excuse for the impoverishment.

This was published in the normally bellicose Rodong Sinmun (NK's state controlled media)

1. The DPRK and the United States commit to establish new DPRK-U.S. relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The DPRK and the United States will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The DPRK and the United States commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

This is huge that they published it after years of editorials and news articles declaring the necessity of nuclear NK. And it means that they are presenting a new face of information to their people.

It's a dictatorship, so it's not like the people are going to have a say, but it also puts denuclearization out as a real thing.

IF they really had down a different path, there is a reason to hope that the people of NK will also benefit, both from better economics - no sanctions - and friendlier relationship with their southern brethren. AND IF the NK's see the life of SK's that will open up huge opportunity for humane reforms.