Broncos to trade Cutler

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

The latest rumor is the deal is done and they are just waiting on one of the tech guys to make up a "preorder Cutler jerseys now" banner for redskins.com.

Shut yo' mouth!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Well, look at the upside.

Think of all the jerseys that will be sold on the team's website if we acquire Cutler!

Think of all of the pissed off fans with #17 jerseys.

I guess they can get D. WILLIAMS nameplates for them.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Frank Hammerhan is on ESPN980 right now and he just said that Zorn has no say in any of this. Earlier in the offseason, Zorn specifically told Cerrato and Snyder that he beleived Campbell would be successful in this system... then Cerrato and Snyder do this, without his input.

This lends alot of weight to the rumors that the endgame is to land both Cutler and Shannahan.

According to Hammerhan, Snyder and Cerrato like Campbells work ethic and attitude, but they don't think he has the "IT factor." In thier opinion, Cutler does. Although the implication is that Snyder and Cerrato are both behind this, reports yesterday indicated that Cerrato was in a draft meeting when he was called out by Snyder - All evidence points to this being 100% Snyder's doing. All opinions aside on Cutler vs. Campbell, this is the most disturbing news in all of this - Snyder is still in complete control. Snyder makes all the decisions. New title aside, nothing changed in our front office: Cerrato is still just a puppet and Snyder continues to pull all the strings.

Also, for those of you able to tune in, Jason Campbell, who is at Redskins Park right now, will be on 980 at 1:45PM.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Frank Hammerhan is on ESPN980 right now and he just said that Zorn has no say in any of this. Earlier in the offseason, Zorn specifically told Cerrato and Snyder that he beleived Campbell would be successful in this system... then Cerrato and Snyder do this, without his input.

This lends alot of weight to the rumors that the endgame is to land both Cutler and Shannahan.

According to Hammerhan, Snyder and Cerrato like Campbells work ethic and attitude, but they don't think he has the "IT factor." In thier opinion, Cutler does. Although the implication is that Snyder and Cerrato are both behind this, reports yesterday indicated that Cerrato was in a draft meeting when he was called out by Snyder - All evidence points to this being 100% Snyder's doing. All opinions aside on Cutler vs. Campbell, this is the most disturbing news in all of this - Snyder is still in complete control. Snyder makes all the decisions. New title aside, nothing changed in our front office: Cerrato is still just a puppet and Snyder continues to pull all the strings.

Also, for those of you able to tune in, Jason Campbell, who is at Redskins Park right now, will be on 980 at 1:45PM.

That suspicion was confirmed for me when they signed Haynesworth on day one of free agency.

For me, Snyder's influence won't be gone until Vinny is gone and a well respected GM comes to the club. Unfortunately, as witnessed when Marty was here, Snyder won't relinquish his roster influence so he won't try to hire that kind of GM.


We're in a perpetual regressive motion caused by Snyder's ego and the catch is only Snyder's humility will get us out.

[wilsowilso]

What I am hoping for is the same thing that happened when Snyder wanted to hire Jim Fassel. The message boards freaked out and Snyder was swayed not to hire him.

Don't do it!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What I am hoping for is the same thing that happened when Snyder wanted to hire Jim Fassel. The message boards freaked out and Snyder was swayed not to hire him.

Don't do it!

I don't think that there's nearly the same sway in this scenario though.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

What I am hoping for is the same thing that happened when Snyder wanted to hire Jim Fassel. The message boards freaked out and Snyder was swayed not to hire him.

Don't do it!

I thought of that too, and I have the same hope!

Interesting that the warpath poll (86 votes) and the washpost poll (1550+) both have 68% that say NO to the cutler trade.

I'm encouraged by those results. It says that the true hardcore fans (at least those that read all things skins during the offseason) feel that this deal is not good for the team.

Colin Cowherd was just saying that the only teams interested in cutler are dysfunctional in so many words, and have a history of poor evaluation of the qb position. While I could argue the details, I can't say he's overall wrong.

Memo to Danny boy: Skins fans are having a hard time disagreeing w/Colin Cowherd on this one.

[tryfuhl]

Man, they're barely even touching the other teams in the hunt for Cutler, they're sold on us wanting him hard.. they're not even going into scenarios with other teams really.. but they're analyzing us hard

wonder Zorn's take.. sure he said Campbell could become the QB of the future, but wonder how he feels about Cutler.. I mean he's gotta love the potential, but who knows what else

[dmek25]

the one thing that worries me most is that Cutler has never won, at any level. he is obviously a big upgrade over Mr. Campbell. but this league is all about winning. and im not sure how much longer, and how many more seasons can go by, with the redskin faithful waiting for a pro bowl qback to emerge out of Jason Campbell. i say lets do it

[Schneed10]

This thread has gotten way out of hand with the number of posts in it, but I wanted to weigh in. We should absolutely not trade for a QB.

If you took Cutler and put him in the Redskins offense last year, he would not have put up better numbers than Campbell did. When you have a new offense, no decent #2 or #3 WR to throw to, and a terrible RT situation as well as substandard interior OL play, I'd assert that Campbell's numbers are really about as good as you can expect. Cutler would not have done appreciably better.

I think the QB gets too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong. He's the most important player on the field, but not more important than the other 10 guys combined. We need to shore up the spots around him and let him develop, then we'll be in good shape.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This thread has gotten way out of hand with the number of posts in it, but I wanted to weigh in. We should absolutely not trade for a QB.

If you took Cutler and put him in the Redskins offense last year, he would not have put up better numbers than Campbell did. When you have a new offense, no decent #2 or #3 WR to throw to, and a terrible RT situation as well as substandard interior OL play, I'd assert that Campbell's numbers are really about as good as you can expect. Cutler would not have done appreciably better.

I think the QB gets too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong. He's the most important player on the field, but not more important than the other 10 guys combined. We need to shore up the spots around him and let him develop, then we'll be in good shape.

Schneed, do we even have the cap space to do this?

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Here's a possible scenario: Skins don't get the deal done, Campbell has great year playing with chip on his shoulder, Campbell signs somewhere stable due to all the bullshit he has had to tolerate in his time here.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Here's a possible scenario: Skins don't get the deal done, Campbell has great year playing with chip on his shoulder, Campbell signs somewhere stable due to all the bullshit he has had to tolerate in his time here.

I wouldn't mind this, b/c this mean we keep our #13 and will be able to draft a young stud for either line, and we keep our picks for next year as well. A chip on his should would be another motivator (in addition of being on a contract year) for Campbell.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Here's a possible scenario: Skins don't get the deal done, Campbell has great year playing with chip on his shoulder, Campbell signs somewhere stable due to all the bullshit he has had to tolerate in his time here.

He would be a restricted free agent so they wouldn't lose him if they didn't want to.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Schneed, do we even have the cap space to do this?

That's a good question. Cutler is still in his rookie deal isn't he? so he wouldn't be too expensive as is, but he'll want a new deal of course. I would guess from a cap standpoint he would put us in much the same situation as JC is; last year of his rookie deal.