When is Enough ,Enough?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One last thing, and I do - strongly - believe this, if NK moves at all out of China's sway, and starts to think that maybe they could have an economy like SK, that would give us a lot of sway in terms of human rights conditions. I understand that right now NK is abysmal, but we have zero sway over that, and they use our animosity as an excuse for the impoverishment.



This was published in the normally bellicose Rodong Sinmun (NK's state controlled media)





This is huge that they published it after years of editorials and news articles declaring the necessity of nuclear NK. And it means that they are presenting a new face of information to their people.



It's a dictatorship, so it's not like the people are going to have a say, but it also puts denuclearization out as a real thing.



IF they really had down a different path, there is a reason to hope that the people of NK will also benefit, both from better economics - no sanctions - and friendlier relationship with their southern brethren. AND IF the NK's see the life of SK's that will open up huge opportunity for humane reforms.

CRed this is not the first time the little guy has referenced denuclearization to his people or the world though. This isn’t some wow moment. It is the same old same old. Also he is telling the people of NK that we too will de nuke - which Trump has absolutely no intention of doing. They are not on the same page. This is just a-lot of talk and pompous circumstance on both sides. We aren’t giving up our nukes. NK is not giving up theirs. We can all hope for denuclearization of the entire world, but u know as well as i do it aint happening. This was sadly nothing more than a photo op for both leaders to look good. Is it a first step. Sure. So is me depositing 100 dollars in my bank account on my way to a cool million.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

CRed this is not the first time the little guy has referenced denuclearization to his people or the world though. This isn’t some wow moment. It is the same old same old. Also he is telling the people of NK that we too will de nuke - which Trump has absolutely no intention of doing. They are not on the same page. This is just a-lot of talk and pompous circumstance on both sides. We aren’t giving up our nukes. NK is not giving up theirs. We can all hope for denuclearization of the entire world, but u know as well as i do it aint happening. This was sadly nothing more than a photo op for both leaders to look good. Is it a first step. Sure. So is me depositing 100 dollars in my bank account on my way to a cool million.

Wrong, I actually read Rodong Sinmun regularly. I don't know why, I don't have any attachment to Korea, I served in Germany, my exwife is from Germany, and my Dad served in Germany/Vietnam, my mom is German.

But 3 or 4 years ago I started reading the NK and SK state online press, and this is a HUGELY shift in policy and opinion pieces. I promise you, NK's haven't heard the tone in the opinions in the last 4 years ever.

I remember it was around when the Kaesong Plant was closed in 2013 that I really got interested. You can go back in the Korea threads, and see my thoughts. I promise - disregarding all of US media - the tone in NK changed drastically for the better.

standard disclaimer, until NK actually has a verifiable path in place, these good will gestures are just spectacle... It does seem to have substance behind it though.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wrong, I actually read Rodong Sinmun regularly. I don't know why, I don't have any attachment to Korea, I served in Germany, my exwife is from Germany, and my Dad served in Germany/Vietnam, my mom is German.



But 3 or 4 years ago I started reading the NK and SK state online press, and this is a HUGELY shift in policy and opinion pieces. I promise you, NK's haven't heard the tone in the opinions in the last 4 years ever.



I remember it was around when the Kaesong Plant was closed in 2013 that I really got interested. You can go back in the Korea threads, and see my thoughts. I promise - disregarding all of US media - the tone in NK changed drastically for the better.



standard disclaimer, until NK actually has a verifiable path in place, these good will gestures are just spectacle... It does seem to have substance behind it though.

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

Well seeing as how he was 21 in 2005 and didn't become supreme leader until 2011 i dont think he did. NK did, and he may be trying that tact, but he invested ALOT of his energy in promoting the right to nuclear weapons AND the need for nuclear weapons. It has been the drumbeat of his media for the last 5 years and to come to full u turn is a different tone then he has ever put before his military and his people.

[Chico23231]

I love because Kim Un Fat didn’t pack the nukes in his luggage this is somehow a failure...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I love because Kim Un Fat didn’t pack the nukes in his luggage this is somehow a failure...

he does'nt have any nukes in the first place,how is it a win?trump gave a murderous little dictator a seat at the grown up table,a place he does not belong.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I love because Kim Un Fat didn’t pack the nukes in his luggage this is somehow a failure...

I love how because a lying murderous dictator made a promise that this is somehow a success....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I love how because a lying murderous dictator made a promise that this is somehow a success....

Listen man, there’s nothing to worry about, Pres Cheeto tweeted that this nuclear thing is over, go home, nothing to see here

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Listen man, there’s nothing to worry about, Pres Cheeto tweeted that this nuclear thing is over, go home, nothing to see here

Oh shit. Well don’t i feel like an idiot. I didn’t know he had tweeted it. Im gonna book my flight to NK now. Maybe buy one of those condos and visit the new amusement park. Thanks Matty.

[Chico23231]

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/fo...2O9nO95C4SUnI/

Former NBA star Dennis Rodman cries in interview about North Korea summit

This is the reaction I expect from everyone here...tears of joy.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/fo...2O9nO95C4SUnI/



Former NBA star Dennis Rodman cries in interview about North Korea summit



This is the reaction I expect from everyone here...tears of joy.

Ill just leave this right here. I cannot even begin to try n make sense of any of these misfits.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/fo...2O9nO95C4SUnI/

Former NBA star Dennis Rodman cries in interview about North Korea summit

This is the reaction I expect from everyone here...tears of joy.

Chico , straight up question, yes or no. Did kim murder his uncle?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Chico , straight up question, yes or no. Did kim murder his uncle?

He's a psychopath who murdered probably 100k + of his own country men.

Do you want him with 30-50 nuclear weapons on delivery systems that can reach the U.S. as well as other allies across the world?

So which is it, military force in reducing the threat or a diplomatic path?

Or you want the Obama way of doing nothing...the wait and see approach?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

He's a psychopath who murdered probably 100k + of his own country men.

Do you want him with 30-50 nuclear weapons on delivery systems that can reach the U.S. as well as other allies across the world?

So which is it, military force in reducing the threat or a diplomatic path?

Or you want the Obama way of doing nothing...the wait and see approach?

......or you can do it the trump way and have a fuckin psychopath make you look like a fucking fool.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ials/23471506/


North Korea has increased nuclear production at secret sites, say officials

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

......or you can do it the trump way and have a fuckin psychopath make you look like a fucking fool.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ials/23471506/


North Korea has increased nuclear production at secret sites, say officials

Not a very secret site. Trump has said all along that we would continue the talks only if NK is a good actor. We havent made any concessions that can't be reversed simply. That's how you deal with an untrustworthy partner. All the more reason why Trump's negotiation style is suited to NK. If they continue the wrong path then we have sticks (restarting war games) that are not escalatory in nature but send a clear message that lack of substance will not help NKs cause.