Skins @ Panthers gameday thread

NoCalHail · 11-23-2015, 04:40 PM

Something I'd like to know is why the tackling on the defense is so bad. Our scheme itself doesn't seem bad as we seem to constantly have defenders in the backfield on running plays in position to stop a play for negative yardage, yet it ends up in a 5 yard gain.

To me, if the players are in position to make plays then the coaches are scheme-wise doing something correct. Is it lack of effort? Attitude? Etc etc etc......I have never seen so many missed opportunities game in and game out to see plays made that can make a huge difference.

over the mountain · 11-23-2015, 04:46 PM

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

calia · 11-23-2015, 04:51 PM

I wonder if de la Puenta replaces him on Sunday. It's isn't as though these mistakes are made up for by superior blocking, especially as to the run. We really need a serious upgrade at this position for McLovin' to have the smashmouth team in the trenches he wants. The good news is that the rest of the O-line is in decent shape.

Bucket · 11-23-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its pretty common knowledge that running sweeps against Carolina is really stupid due to there team speed on defense. What run play did we do a lot of yesterday? sweeps. It was a bad game plan accentuated by bad play calling. When you had one successful play and then watch the coaching staff refuse to do it again and go with what even a pop warner coach knows are bad plays, at least attempt to have a good game plan. If it doesnt work, so be it, but dont come out against that defense and try to do everything that they are known to stop better than most.

Even if the run fails, just simply doing it still means you cant tee off on the passing game if you still run it. It also means play action still has a chance. And btw, when a team goes full out on rushing the passer and caring about nothing else, try a screen. They were just teeing off on us and Jay was calling plays that benefits a defense in tee off on the QB mode. Jay is so hit or miss in his play calling. You cant defend that, it was pathetic to watch. Jay called one of his worst games of the year yesterday and got locked into calling plays that were benefiting Carolina more than us.

You also play to your strengths. That's all I say

30gut · 11-23-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucket

1 RB is out
2 RB fumbles once a game

You are down 2 possessions to a team who you can't stop on offense after halftime. You only had the ball for 21 snaps the first half.

Please continue to attempt to convince me that we abandoned the run game. The pass game and run game going hand in hand. You can't force the run game when you continue to put yourself in 2nd n 12 or 2nd n 11 down two possessions.

They didn't abandon the run. There just wasn't a running game. We had one last week. This is the development if a young inconsistent team with a below terrible Center.

Any team with a physical DT will continue to stuff our run game.

In this game there were mitigating circumstances to be sure.

But every game there seems to be some excuse yet the gameplan and playcalling doesn't change (i.e. predictable base personnel run on 1st downs etc..) the only difference is the quality of our opponents. I think there is a word for doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

calia · 11-23-2015, 06:02 PM

Look, the reality is that we haven't beaten a quality team this year. The Bucs, Eagles, Rams, and Saints aren't particularly strong (the Bucs are probably the best of that lot, and we needed to stage our biggest comeback in history to win that one). Until we beat a quality team, no one will ever mistake us for one.

skinsfan69 · 11-23-2015, 06:06 PM

Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

CRedskinsRule · 11-23-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

wow... that GIF is pretty bad. Offensive line isn't supposed to be reacting to the D-line getting off the snap. That was just brutal.

Chico23231 · 11-23-2015, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

If Delani Walker gets cut this offseason, hopefully mcC can get first in line for that dude on a 1-2 year deal.

rocnrik · 11-23-2015, 08:00 PM

I understand the concept of protecting the players but the officials have in my opinion taken over the sport to the point that if something is not done the NFL is going to start a decline. After Every good play before i get excited i have to wait to see if flag is thrown..its almost like i would rather DVR the game and have a app that deletes all the bogus calls just like commercials are skipped just to enjoy the game. When Roberts returned the kickoff for td i didn't even get excited because i just knew a flag had been thrown. the play on culliver was a game changer and if that had stood i really believe we would have been competitive instead of blowout. If this continues I will no longer watch the NFL ..I have been a redskin fan since 1969 and watched every game either tv,recorded same day,live or radio..so i am not some casual fan . The officials are at best bad and they are being told how to call games by the league who's track record is not so good of late..All I can say is if the Redskins had committed all the infractions that the Patriots had we would not have a first round pick the next 5 years..it does seem the league has it in for the Redskins..if they really want to protect the players the rule should be IF a offense player makes a aggressive move with helmet or does not try to avoid helmet to helmet then they there is penalty..either that or all plays can be reviewed by upstairs official that actually understands the rule..that culliver call would have been overruled..you think They make that call in the Super Bowl? the officials should be held to a tighter standard and replays must be used on all plays that impact the game.they say replays are used on all scoring plays right? we scored and where was the review? The redskins gave up after that. the officials took over what could have been a tight game.

CrustyRedskin · 11-23-2015, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312

GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him.

LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here.

Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year.

The most I got out of the gif is that I miss funny Dannys Redskin videos, havn't seen any posted in a while. But as far as the offensive f-up. Meh just Redskin football.

DYoungJelly · 11-23-2015, 11:27 PM

I really don't understand why DY is getting next to no snaps.

McCoy, TE was just released and has been a bust all year. Not sure how good he was because he didn't look like he knew which play was being run when he was in the game.

Carrier has made some catches, but has really struggled in the run game, both front side and backside.

We have one of the best FB in the league who can do everything well: block, run, pass protect, catch out of backfield.

DY doesn't care what he is asked to do he busts ass and is good at everything, including special teams. I love to go back and watch his ST plays.

The beat reporters who cover the team have reported throughout the year that Callahan doesn't like to design a run game plan with two backs (i.e. Demarco Murray the lone wolf @ Cowboys).

Well, he should have started designing plays for two backs when Niles Paul and Logan Paulson went down and you start signing guys who were then unemployed.

Jay and McVay and the whole damn lot of them should have started designing more plays with DY.

Put the best players on the field and let them make plays.

He is a baller watching the game from the bench.

It's just stupid.

DYoungJelly · 11-23-2015, 11:32 PM

Jesus, I hate to say it but 30gut is right.

If fans sitting at home have a really good idea of which play is coming, the Carolina defense does too.

Does anybody know, for sure, who is calling the plays?

It was supposed to be some communistic collaboration at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen or read about what is happening this far in the season.

KI Skins Fan · 11-24-2015, 07:32 AM

^ We just need better players. Build the offensive line.

"I got to the line, and I said to Randy White, 'Our coaches love you. We're going to run it over you again and again.' Randy wasn't very happy, but after three or four times, he didn't say a word."

-Jeff Bostic

"No. Fifty Gut."

-Russ Grimm, interrupting Theismann in the huddle with four minutes to play in the NFC Championship, in response to a Coach Gibbs playcall of "Spread Wide, Sixty Outside"

"Randy - it's coming at you."

-Russ Grimm to Randy White at the line of scrimmage a few seconds later

"Everyone in the huddle was laughing..."

-Don Warren in reference to running '50 Gut' nine times in a row directly at Randy White.

NoCalHail · 11-24-2015, 11:50 AM

Yeah it is really puzzling how you can't find a way to get Darrell Young into the game. He was on his way to being one of the game's best fullbacks, in fact he might have been right about there under Shanahan. He was a beast at setting up blocks for Morris and was an underrated weapon in the passing game. Under Gruden, I sometimes forget he is even still on the roster.

IMO, a good coach finds a way to utilize the talent on the team over being 100% dead set in whatever kind of "scheme/offense" they want to implement.

11-23-2015, 04:40 PM	#466
NoCalHail Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 368	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Something I'd like to know is why the tackling on the defense is so bad. Our scheme itself doesn't seem bad as we seem to constantly have defenders in the backfield on running plays in position to stop a play for negative yardage, yet it ends up in a 5 yard gain. To me, if the players are in position to make plays then the coaches are scheme-wise doing something correct. Is it lack of effort? Attitude? Etc etc etc......I have never seen so many missed opportunities game in and game out to see plays made that can make a huge difference.

11-23-2015, 04:46 PM	#467
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread https://twitter.com/PhilthyDC/status/668847563123085312 GIF of sack yesterday where Trent doesnt even get out of his stance bc LeRib snapped the ball on the wrong count. Actually, nobody gets out of their stance, everyone except Trent just reacted quicker. Looks like Cousins hard count fooled him. LeRib has to go at this point. Looking froward to listening to grudens presser. he doesnt bash specific players any more ... but i want him to show some frustration here. Who was our backup center entering the regular season? if it was LeRib, Scot screwed up relying on a guard who never played center and was mostly off our 53 last year. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-23-2015, 04:51 PM	#468
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 56 Posts: 3,552	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I wonder if de la Puenta replaces him on Sunday. It's isn't as though these mistakes are made up for by superior blocking, especially as to the run. We really need a serious upgrade at this position for McLovin' to have the smashmouth team in the trenches he wants. The good news is that the rest of the O-line is in decent shape. __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

11-23-2015, 06:02 PM	#471
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 56 Posts: 3,552	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Look, the reality is that we haven't beaten a quality team this year. The Bucs, Eagles, Rams, and Saints aren't particularly strong (the Bucs are probably the best of that lot, and we needed to stage our biggest comeback in history to win that one). Until we beat a quality team, no one will ever mistake us for one. __________________ "Coach, what do you think of your team's execution?" "I'm all for it." -- Coach McKay

11-23-2015, 06:06 PM	#472
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,319	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Jordan Reed hurt again. Shocker.

11-23-2015, 08:00 PM	#475
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,746	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I understand the concept of protecting the players but the officials have in my opinion taken over the sport to the point that if something is not done the NFL is going to start a decline. After Every good play before i get excited i have to wait to see if flag is thrown..its almost like i would rather DVR the game and have a app that deletes all the bogus calls just like commercials are skipped just to enjoy the game. When Roberts returned the kickoff for td i didn't even get excited because i just knew a flag had been thrown. the play on culliver was a game changer and if that had stood i really believe we would have been competitive instead of blowout. If this continues I will no longer watch the NFL ..I have been a redskin fan since 1969 and watched every game either tv,recorded same day,live or radio..so i am not some casual fan . The officials are at best bad and they are being told how to call games by the league who's track record is not so good of late..All I can say is if the Redskins had committed all the infractions that the Patriots had we would not have a first round pick the next 5 years..it does seem the league has it in for the Redskins..if they really want to protect the players the rule should be IF a offense player makes a aggressive move with helmet or does not try to avoid helmet to helmet then they there is penalty..either that or all plays can be reviewed by upstairs official that actually understands the rule..that culliver call would have been overruled..you think They make that call in the Super Bowl? the officials should be held to a tighter standard and replays must be used on all plays that impact the game.they say replays are used on all scoring plays right? we scored and where was the review? The redskins gave up after that. the officials took over what could have been a tight game.

11-23-2015, 11:27 PM	#477
DYoungJelly The Starter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,300	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread I really don't understand why DY is getting next to no snaps. McCoy, TE was just released and has been a bust all year. Not sure how good he was because he didn't look like he knew which play was being run when he was in the game. Carrier has made some catches, but has really struggled in the run game, both front side and backside. We have one of the best FB in the league who can do everything well: block, run, pass protect, catch out of backfield. DY doesn't care what he is asked to do he busts ass and is good at everything, including special teams. I love to go back and watch his ST plays. The beat reporters who cover the team have reported throughout the year that Callahan doesn't like to design a run game plan with two backs (i.e. Demarco Murray the lone wolf @ Cowboys). Well, he should have started designing plays for two backs when Niles Paul and Logan Paulson went down and you start signing guys who were then unemployed. Jay and McVay and the whole damn lot of them should have started designing more plays with DY. Put the best players on the field and let them make plays. He is a baller watching the game from the bench. It's just stupid. __________________ I'm tired of these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane!

11-23-2015, 11:32 PM	#478
DYoungJelly The Starter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,300	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Jesus, I hate to say it but 30gut is right. If fans sitting at home have a really good idea of which play is coming, the Carolina defense does too. Does anybody know, for sure, who is calling the plays? It was supposed to be some communistic collaboration at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen or read about what is happening this far in the season. __________________ I'm tired of these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane!

11-24-2015, 07:32 AM	#479
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,399	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread ^ We just need better players. Build the offensive line. "I got to the line, and I said to Randy White, 'Our coaches love you. We're going to run it over you again and again.' Randy wasn't very happy, but after three or four times, he didn't say a word." -Jeff Bostic "No. Fifty Gut." -Russ Grimm, interrupting Theismann in the huddle with four minutes to play in the NFC Championship, in response to a Coach Gibbs playcall of "Spread Wide, Sixty Outside" "Randy - it's coming at you." -Russ Grimm to Randy White at the line of scrimmage a few seconds later "Everyone in the huddle was laughing..." -Don Warren in reference to running '50 Gut' nine times in a row directly at Randy White. __________________ I'm a big Caitlin Clark fan!

11-24-2015, 11:50 AM	#480
NoCalHail Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 368	Re: Skins @ Panthers gameday thread Yeah it is really puzzling how you can't find a way to get Darrell Young into the game. He was on his way to being one of the game's best fullbacks, in fact he might have been right about there under Shanahan. He was a beast at setting up blocks for Morris and was an underrated weapon in the passing game. Under Gruden, I sometimes forget he is even still on the roster. IMO, a good coach finds a way to utilize the talent on the team over being 100% dead set in whatever kind of "scheme/offense" they want to implement.

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