2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

While at Harvard he was still quite to the left, a "liberal's liberal" I've seen quoted.

Not sure how I'm being mysterious, should I use another term, maybe political upbringing? His family; grandparents (who raised him for years), mother, birth-father, close family friend "FranK", we're all far-left socialists/Communists.

His legislative record in the U.S. Senate (only 3 yrs.) is very liberal leaning, even ranking most liberal one year. We've been over this, it shouldn't be in dispute. The guy also missed 24% of his votes, far aobve the median of 2.4%

Barack Obama, President - GovTrack.us

See above, he is far-left....that's outside of the mainstream.

Because you bring up a single bill he worked on across the aisle that makes him a moderate....LOL.

Ray LaHood....liberal R from Chicago with ties to Rahm Emanuel and Obama's Chi-town crew...haha OK, and Robert Gates...now retired and replaced with Panetta (D). I don't knnow why the movie would point that out.

You asked where Obama was outside the politcal mainstream, I presented specific points and policies he has implemented that are outside the political mainstream here in the U.S. Is he a straight out Communist, no. Does he have a far-left agenda and see himself (the federal gov't) as the authority that rights "social injustice"...absolutely. Is he against capitalism and see the free market as unfair...absolutely. Is that socialism....absolutely.

You need to read a bit more. Obama spent at least 5 weeks in Kenya in the late '80s (likely 1988). I would say 5 weeks is a bit longer than 1 day. And the influence wasn't just his Dad, but entire family.

Just some other tidbits:
1985 to 1988 — Obama worked as a "community organizer" for the "Industrial Areas Foundation" (IAF), an organization founded by Marxist radical Saul Alinsky. Obama also worked with the Alinsky group "Developing Communities Project" (DCP), of which Obama became director; "ACORN" (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now); and Project Vote. ACORN was founded by Wade Rathke — an associate of Weather Underground founder William Ayers — and is one of the largest and most powerful leftist organizations in the United States.

Believe what you want, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it's probably a duck.

If it Looks like the klan,walks like the klan ...and "sounds" like the klan,.....it's probably the klan.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If it Looks like the klan,walks like the klan ...and "sounds" like the klan,.....it's probably the klan.

As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.

Funny you mention that, but this come up recently. The clash between Chris Matthews and the RNC Chairman Reince Priebus about Romney using the race card.

Chris Matthews Erupts on Reince Priebus for GOP Playing the Race Card


Now, I'm not saying that Romney was playing the race card on the "birth certificate" joke, but he was playing to his crowd (who do believe that shit).


Out of this article, these last 3 paragraphs really sum it up pretty well. The GOP does play the race card indirectly when they talk about welfare and other social programs.

Chris Matthews had his moment in the sun when he called it as it is. The people loved it, the corporate media hated it and the Super Smart Pundit types played Balanced by pretending they have never heard of Southern Strategy, they missed Romney’s “Anglo Saxon” moment, they missed the entire birther movement of the last four years and Sarah Palin never existed in 2008. Racism, they gasp? How dare you!

Of course, Joe’s answer to this is the Republican stand by – their go to statement is that there is no racism because we elected a black man. To which I respond, you (Republicans) did not elect him, so how does that prove your point?

Joe is right, some of the country is not racist. But some of it is. Republicans are not all racists, but racists are mostly Republican. This is hardly an accident or a shock. Republicans have a long history of using the Southern Strategy to deliberately to stoke racial fears in order to win elections.

I feel bad for the conservatives who aren't racists, but let's be honest. The base is full of people just like this in the video below. This white dude who's paying ZERO taxes complaining about black families getting social welfare. The irony is so rich. I laughed my ass off. You will too.



By means am I throwing you guys into the lump with him, just making a general point about a good deal of the people that support the GOP base.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As I mentioned earlier, any conservative challenging Obama is labeled a racist.

A rose by any other name smells ...........................just as sweet.


Well, you are.

[12thMan]

Again, you seem to wrongfully conclude that if it's not authentically conservative then it's either radical or socialist. Well, most Americans disagree with that assessment. We have a two party system in this country. Democrats have a fundamentally different view on the economy than Republicans. Doesn't make our party European or this new sh*t floating around Republican circles these days. We've always had different views. That's a good thing. Sharp differences are helpful when figuring out who to elect to public office.

[12thMan]

Slinging, you're grasping bro. It's kind of amusing the lengths you go through to prove Obama's unAmericaness.

I say Harvard. You say how left leaning Harvard is. I say Ray Lahood, you bring up some bogus crap about Chicago, as if Chicago is located in Eastern Europe not middle America.

Sec. Defense Bob Gates, Fed Chair Bernanke, Secretary of Army John Mchugh, and Gen. David Petraeus. All Republican appointments.


How funny you bring up Saul Alinsky who died in 1972 when Obama was a boy. Never met the man a day in his life.

But you know who met and shook hands with Saul Alinsky, George Romney. Mitt Romney's father associated with the radical Alinksy.

[12thMan]

Hey Warpath, I wonder what SlinginSammy33 thinks of the radical Saul Alinksky personally meeting with Mitt Romney's father, George Romney.

Slingin33, you care to explain why George Romney is palling around with radicals. Which of course makes Mitt Romney a radical.

When Saul Alinsky met George Romney | The Daily Caller

“I think you ought to listen to Alinsky,” George Romney, a member of the GOP’s liberal wing and an unsuccessful presidential candidate, told his political allies in the wake of 1967’s devastating race riots in Detroit

[12thMan]

By the way, Mitt Romney's grandfather was born in Mexico. Nothing wrong with that, just saying this born in Kenya shit swings both ways.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

By the way, Mitt Romney's grandfather was born in Mexico. Nothing wrong with that, just saying this born in Kenya shit swings both ways.

I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.

How did Obama's father influence his political views when Obama met him once when was eleven years old and never lived in Kenya?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How did Obama's father influence his political views when Obama met him once when was eleven years old and never lived in Kenya?

see the movie

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't follow? What does Romney's grandfather being born in Mexico have to do with Obama's birth father being a anti-colonialist, far-left radical? I don't care about Obama's father being from Kenya, and I've never believed the birther crap....not sure where you're going with this.

You say you don't care,yet your postings show other wise.

[NC_Skins]

Do we really have people up here trying to equate Obama to Marxism?...lol

[NC_Skins]

You guys should have been a part of my FB status I made. Sparked some serious comments...lol My friend up up crushing this Romney supporter with his constant accusations of Obama being a socialist/marxist.

>> I know your grinning now because you got me, right? What about Romneycare you say? Yeah that is social health care as well. The big difference is not in either of those abominations but that while Romney is a big government guy he still believes in capitalism and this country whereas Obama believes in socialism and thinks American is bad.

There is no government in the entire world that is completely laissez-faire capitalism, except maybe Somalia because they don't have a government, and they're not exactly the picture of prosperity. This whole idea that Obama doesn't "believe" in capitalism is a sham. They are both about the same degree of capitalists, Romney just argues whatever point is most politically convenient for him at the time. They both voted for the auto bailouts, they both voted for TARP, etc. The biggest trick the GOP has ever pulled has been convincing everyone that they are small-government and pro-freedom (Patriot act anyone?) Every single GOP president in the last 40 years has seen huge increases in the Federal budget and the Federal deficit - especially Reagan, whose by today's Republican standards would be too far to the left to be electable - and in fact the only President who has seen a budget surplus was Clinton, a Democrat. Obama's annualized budget increase average for his first term is 1.7%. Reagan's first term was over 8%. Yet all the Republicans talk about is how Obama is a huge spender and ruining the economy with his massive debt. But whenever they are in charge the deficit and debt are never a problem, and the government never actually gets any smaller. The only difference is that the money gets spent on the military and blowing up brown people overseas, rather than on actually helping American citizens, or heaven forbid, returning that money back to the tax payers, which is what they always talk about doing.

No offense man, but all of your arguments are almost cut+paste Fox News sound bites which have no basis in reality. This is why I don't really bother to write huge posts like this in response to "conservatives" very often, because the right in this country has convinced people that logic and reason are liberal traits and undesired. Just trust them and vote GOP and they'll fix everything. So let me ask you, when was the last time we had a Republican president who actually did any of the things they said they were going to do?

[12thMan]

I want to hear what Slingin has to say about Mitt Romney's father hanging with the radical Saul Alinsky. A man he said we ought to listen to.