Who do you want to start at QB?

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Personally I don't think it matters.
The QB we need to take us to the playoffs is not on the roster.
I'd rather just go thru the motions, finish the season and hopefully find a way to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft next year.

So then it begs the question, are you requesting the team tank the year to get high enough in the draft to pick said 2nd or 3rd best QB? I don't want to see us tank because there are fans out there who would be shouting for MS to be fired and someone else brought in.

I too agree with you that our franchise QB is not on the roster though. I don't know who said it or wrote it but I had seen or heard somewhere that it might take like 3, 1st round draft picks to move up to 1st place. I'm not for that either. But whoever the team is eyeing has to be mobile as all get out and have a strong arm to throw deep.

The other side of the coin is if the team is just not all there yet and yeah we might make the play offs but no much farther then I'd also like to see us playing the young WR's more to get them ready for next year also. Why each week one Rookie WR can't be active to get playing time is a wonder to me.

Alvin Walton · 10-18-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

So then it begs the question, are you requesting the team tank the year to get high enough in the draft to pick said 2nd or 3rd best QB? I don't want to see us tank because there are fans out there who would be shouting for MS to be fired and someone else brought in.

I too agree with you that our franchise QB is not on the roster though. I don't know who said it or wrote it but I had seen or heard somewhere that it might take like 3, 1st round draft picks to move up to 1st place. I'm not for that either. But whoever the team is eyeing has to be mobile as all get out and have a strong arm to throw deep.

The other side of the coin is if the team is just not all there yet and yeah we might make the play offs but no much farther then I'd also like to see us playing the young WR's more to get them ready for next year also. Why each week one Rookie WR can't be active to get playing time is a wonder to me.

No, I dont approve of the suck for Luck or suck for any other QB for that matter. I think we'll end up near the middle of the pack any way and will have to trade up to get the 2nd or 3rd best QB. I hate giving away picks in a trade but I dont see any other way.

44ever · 10-18-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.

If one is available, I'm right with you on this Lotus.

CRedskinsRule · 10-18-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.

Agreed.

We have a good crop of draft picks for the 2012 draft. Currently, we have our top 5 picks, an extra 4th(Raiders), the Vikings 6th (but not ours), and our 7th - with one unknown late round pick going to Arizona for TH. Not enough to get to the #1 over all, but certainly, we could use a package of this years, plus maybe a mid range(2-4th) next year as flexibility to move up to a position that lets us get one the top 3 qb's. I was going to lament that many other teams would be looking for QB's, but honestly, I could only name 4 other than us that might spend a 1st round pick on someone not named Luck - Indy(although I think they are primarily going to go after Luck), Miami, and Seahawks. Denver and/or Cleveland might depending on how the season goes.

mooby · 10-18-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

This past year our draft strategy was to move down and infuse youth at many different positions. We did a good job of this. We have a good surrounding cast for a franchise QB.

But now it is time to get that QB. I will be happy if we take the opposite approach in the offseason by going all-in to draft a talented rookie QB. If it takes trading several picks to get one studly QB, so be it.

Yep. A first this year and next as well as a third or possibly a second, or a first and a third this year, or even a first and a second this year would be a small price to pay to pick an elite quarterback that gives us an excellent shot at winning multiple Super Bowls.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 10:18 AM

Here's another opinion of the situation...

Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck

Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.

irish · 10-18-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Here's another opinion of the situation...

Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck

Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.

This is a very good point that I have though for awhile but didnt know how to put it into words. The Skins WRs just dont go after balls and that has resulted in some missed opportunities. The QB is ultimately responsible for the ball but there is a lot that goes into the result such as the WRs and O line. Right now the Skins WRs arent much to brag about and the O line is now decimated so Rex or Beck, it wont much matter.

MTK · 10-18-2011, 10:30 AM

I don't think it's gonna matter much either who starts. Grossman could come out and have a huge game against Carolina, that would certainly be typical of him. Or Beck comes in and is solidly unspectacular, and we try to grind out wins with him the rest of the way leaning on the D and running game.

If it were my call, I would roll with Beck and see what he's got. Rex has 8 starts here dating back to last year and he's proven he's never going to be more than he is.

Either way, the starting QB for 2012 isn't on this roster.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 01:29 PM

Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.

44ever · 10-18-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.

But I would bet my life that most Redskins fans would trade Grossman for any one of the QB's you listed above... Not trying to be a smart ass ,but just sayn brother.

SBXVII · 10-18-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

But I would bet my life that most Redskins fans would trade Grossman for any one of the QB's you listed above... Not trying to be a smart ass ,but just sayn brother.

and... I would also. But my point is everyone is all over putting Beck in simply because of the INT's each game.

All I'm saying is there are other QB's that are just as bad with the interceptions. Now the next arguement is going to be that he's not putting points on the board and as I said there have been plenty of balls that should have been caught for a TD but were not because they were dropped.

Maybe if the team had decent WR's those dropped balls would be TD's and we would not be having to talk about the lack of points on the board. But I'm sure Beck will come in and fix this issue (how I don't know) no different then anyone of those top ranked QB's would be able to come in and fix our problems.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game.
Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game.
Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games.
Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game.
Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game.

I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.

Yeah well Rex Grossman isn't even on the same Planet as these 5 above. So that argument isn't too strong my friend.

GTripp0012 · 10-18-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah well Rex Grossman isn't even on the same Planet as these 5 above. So that argument isn't too strong my friend.

You're missing the point.

skinsfaninok · 10-18-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're missing the point.

Lol No I see the point I mean it happens to all the QBs but Rex has done this his whole career.

calia · 10-18-2011, 01:53 PM

Actually, it is a fair point that even great QBs have stretches of throwing picks. But even for the excellent ones who have done so this season (Brady, Brees, et al.), they've also thrown a lot of TDs -- a lot more than Rex.

The reality is that Rex just hasn't been good this season, and we've largely won 3 games despite him, not because of him. As I see it, his performaces are as follows:

1. Giants win -- a good game all around for Rex.
2. AZ win -- a terrible first half, but a solid second half and comeback win.
3. Dallas loss -- awful
4. Rams win -- awful
5. Eagles loss -- awful

By my count, that is 6 quarters -- out of 20 -- where he has played well. And that just doesn't cut it in this league. I like the guy and was rooting for him to be successful. And I like the fact that his teammates are pulling for him -- see the Moss response -- which suggests he's showing greater leadership in practice than appears evident on the field.

At this point, I would argue for giving Beck a shot. Rex is a turnover machine and has been his whole career, and as we do not exactly have an explosive offense (a great D, though), we have to basically play mistake free football to win games. And I just do not have confidence he can do that.

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10-18-2011, 10:18 AM	#6
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Here's another opinion of the situation... Why Mike Shanahan may start Grossman over Beck Grossman may have thrown a ton of INT's but I also have seen a ton of balls that should have been caught or the receiver should have made and attempt to go up after the ball and or fight for it. Our receivers are not the type to go up and challenge for a ball in the air. Heck our receivers are not the types to be told the ball will be in the center of the field on the 10 yard line go get it. I wish we did have those types of WR's but we don't. Which is why I can see Beck throwing just as many INT's as Grossman because although Beck has a stronger arm and will throw the ball farther.... I can see where the receiver's won't go after the ball and the other teams Safeties or CB's will.

10-18-2011, 10:30 AM	#8
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? I don't think it's gonna matter much either who starts. Grossman could come out and have a huge game against Carolina, that would certainly be typical of him. Or Beck comes in and is solidly unspectacular, and we try to grind out wins with him the rest of the way leaning on the D and running game. If it were my call, I would roll with Beck and see what he's got. Rex has 8 starts here dating back to last year and he's proven he's never going to be more than he is. Either way, the starting QB for 2012 isn't on this roster. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-18-2011, 01:29 PM	#9
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Brady had 4 Int's in the Bills game. Brees has had 3 Int's in the Buccaneers game. Newton had 3 Int's in the Packers and Falcons games. Roethlisberger had 3 Int's in the Ravens game. Vick had 4 Int's in the Bills game. I guess all these QB's should be benched for the 2nd stringer as well.

10-18-2011, 01:53 PM	#15
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 58 Posts: 4,023	Re: Who do you want to start at QB? Actually, it is a fair point that even great QBs have stretches of throwing picks. But even for the excellent ones who have done so this season (Brady, Brees, et al.), they've also thrown a lot of TDs -- a lot more than Rex. The reality is that Rex just hasn't been good this season, and we've largely won 3 games despite him, not because of him. As I see it, his performaces are as follows: 1. Giants win -- a good game all around for Rex. 2. AZ win -- a terrible first half, but a solid second half and comeback win. 3. Dallas loss -- awful 4. Rams win -- awful 5. Eagles loss -- awful By my count, that is 6 quarters -- out of 20 -- where he has played well. And that just doesn't cut it in this league. I like the guy and was rooting for him to be successful. And I like the fact that his teammates are pulling for him -- see the Moss response -- which suggests he's showing greater leadership in practice than appears evident on the field. At this point, I would argue for giving Beck a shot. Rex is a turnover machine and has been his whole career, and as we do not exactly have an explosive offense (a great D, though), we have to basically play mistake free football to win games. And I just do not have confidence he can do that.

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