Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[mooby]

I'm satisfied with these punishments. It doesn't matter that they didn't "kill" the program, because the program is going to suffer for god knows how long. 4 years of no bowl games, and 15 scholarships? They are going to get their asses handed to them year after year. Plus the kids that are there now get the opportunity to transfer and not have to wait.

If I were a student, and not a top 15 player, who would want to play for them, knowing they'd most likely have to pay full cost to go there and not be eligible for a bowl game for 4 seasons? I don't think this scenario is likely to happen but imagine if they had barely enough players to field a team? Paterno's wins from the entire period get vacated, and they sufficiently harmed the program enough that we probably won't see it in the top 25 for another decade. I could see people being pissed if the program was allowed to continue and was still in the top 25, but as the old saying goes, out of sight, out of mind. If anything people will enjoy it more seeing their current program become bottom-feeders, getting their asses handed to them 62-7 every game.

[SmootSmack]

What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

No but I'm sure he had to know when he took the job that there probably were going to be sanctions. Unless everyone at Penn State lied to him too, and told him it wasn't a big concern and not to worry about it. I'm doubtful that that happened but the current group of leadership at Penn State hasn't struck me as very smart in how they're handling this whole thing.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

Quite honestly, I have no sympathy for him as he signed up prior knowing that something was going to happen. Unless he was a complete idiot, he had to know the football program was going to take a hit.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Nope. The program should be shut down and those contracts should be honored. Unless it can be shown that they somehow knew of the specific issues, their contracts should be enforceable as they did nothing to violate them.

[NC_Skins]

Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about guys like Bill O'Brien and the staff he brought in? Should they be punished?

You can't punish the program and those in charge without affecting the current staff and players. This should not be part of the equation. They all have the chance to move somewhere else. O'Brien knew about these problems coming in.

The kids are allowed to transfer and not sit out, which is fair and I'm glad the NCAA is making an exception for them.

[12thMan]

On balance these penalties are harsh and severe. Losing 60 scholarships all but ensures that the program is basically irrelevant for many years to come. More fines to be levied by the Big Ten.

I don't think the stigma of being associated with Penn State should be underestimated.

[Lotus]

$60 million fine. That's huge. That is larger than the annual operating academic budgets at some schools. Everyone at Penn State down to the groundskeepers and custodial staff will be affected by that.

I'm not complaining about the penalty. The NCAA should have thrown the book at PSU and it did. But to say the penalty does not affect innocent others is not really true.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Nope. The program should be shut down and those contracts should be honored. Unless it can be shown that they somehow knew of the specific issues, their contracts should be enforceable as they did nothing to violate them.

Here's where I think the NCAA arguably got it right. The football program brings in a lot of revenue and employment for that town. Shutting down the program would have had an economic shock throughout that community.

[NC_Skins]

Looks like the Big Ten didn't do a damned thing really.

Big Ten Conference Censures Penn State « Big Ten Network

Among the penalties, the Big Ten says Penn State will not be allowed to share in the conference’s bowl revenues while it is banned from the postseason by the NCAA. Here are the conference’s additional sanctions on Penn State:

Censure: The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally. They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.

Probation: The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.

Ineligibility: As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State’s football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games. It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.

Fine: Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years. That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com

Reading that and the comment section has me shaking my head. Amazing some people still dont get it.

When I read PSU fans call the Freeh report baseless, incomplete, baised, etc. makes think the government should clear everyone out of Happy Valley and the military should just nuke Beaver Stadium and destory the surrounding area. These people just dont seem to get it...its extremely disturbing.

[NC_Skins]

Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.

[Monkeydad]

Additional actions by the Big 10: PSU will forfiet their share of Conference Bowl Game revenues and it will be donated to charities for child abuse.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.

That is pretty funny.