Campbell's numbers dont lie

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by dgack

The problem that I have with your analysis, SC, and I suspect many others are in the same boat here, is that you seem to think that Jason is an average or slightly above average QB, and that we merely need to 'address this in the offseason' as if this will resolve many of the team's issues.

And you're not the only one, plenty of people here are clamoring for Zorn and Campbell to be tossed overboard so we can begin our oh-so-beloved quest for the One True Player to deliver us from the arms of mediocrity. Oh, how we love the offseason courtships and dreams of free-spending our way to a championship.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Jason has "lost" the team? Don't you think every one of those guys is pulling for him and wants to see him succeed? After the way Snyder publicly humiliated the guy -- do you honestly think that it's going to be as simple as just replacing one cog in a machine with another, with no ramifications to the rest of the team? I sure don't. The quotes I read the clips I see of interviews tell me that these guys are behind Jason Campbell. All of them may not be with Zorn right now, but I don't see a lot of people preparing to throw JC under the bus. And they sure as hell aren't going to get excited about learning the quirks and habits and proficiencies and deficiencies of a new QB.

So ejecting Campbell and starting over WILL have consequences. We will regress. AGAIN. No new QB coming in here, short of an established veteran winner, is going to command the huddle and assert leadership over the team in their first season, either. You see Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford walking in here and saying "this is my team"? I don't think so.

No, I think what many of us are saying is that we should be capable of fielding a team that does not REQUIRE a quarterback to be a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to compete at elite levels. Mark Rypien put up some good numbers for a few years, but was he an elite QB or a better-than-average QB who was a good fit in the system?

Kyle Orton is 4-0 this season. Is he elite? Or is he just being asked to be a competent QB most of the game and occasionally make some big plays?

Constantly chasing the holy grail QB is a waste of time. I don't have time to run the numbers, but I'm curious how often you really see a young highly touted QB prospect come in and turn around a team that is mired in mediocrity.

We need to fix a lot of other crap about this organization before we even think about looking for that miracle working QB.

Good point. But I will add to it. Because i know some will ignore the 3 words I bolded.

They will say Flacco, Matt Ryan or even pull Sanchez out their ---.

With all of these QBs they have these two important things that are a rookie QBs dream. A good running game and also a very stout if not great defense.

-Ryan has Turner and alot of other skilled players.
-Flacco has 3 formidable RBs and a great defense
-Sanchez has a good defense that came from the bmore defense and two good RBs on who is a a Sproles type player who excels running and catching the ball.

We dont have that. Our defense is becoming better but is not on the level of bmore or the jets and our only running back threat is nicked up and our o-line is not playing very well. Espeically when it comes to the run game.

Flacco might turn out to be the best of three. On NFL Network they were actually comparing Ryan to Brady when they played the other game. I was like WTF?

I think Ryan will regress this year. We all saw what happened when Sanchez had to put a team on his back against the Saints.

So there is no holy grail like my man said above. So we need to just hope JC manages the game and dont expect him to become Joe Montana overnight.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

So there is no holy grail like my man said above. So we need to jsut hope JC manages the game and dont expect him to become Joe Montana overnight.

Agreed there is no "holy grail" QB out there. However JC's play over the last two games (in snaps that the opposing D wasn't playing basically a prevent) isn't acceptable of a "game manager" or average QB. As I mentioned before he single-handedly could've been the cause of 8 turnovers in 2 games. As it is he caused 5.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agreed there is no "holy grail" QB out there. However JC's play over the last two games (in snaps that the opposing D wasn't playing basically a prevent) isn't acceptable of a "game manager" or average QB. As I mentioned before he single-handedly could've been the cause of 8 turnovers in 2 games. As it is he caused 5.

I think the fumbles are totally unacceptable. But I have a question. I might have missed something. Were the Bucs playing prevent in the 3rd quarter?

The other games when they said he scored during garbage time this applies. But as far as the last game (Buc) this doesn't really apply.

Do you mean the games against the Rams and Lions?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

I think the fumbles are totally unacceptable. But I have a question. I might have missed something. Were the Bucs playing prevent in the 3rd quarter?

The other games when they said he scored during garbage time this applies. But as far as the last game (Buc) this doesn't really apply.

Do you mean the games against the Rams and Lions?

I'm just speaking of the last two games. No Bucs prevent from that I saw. The late 4th qtr drive against the Lions (where JC improved his QB rating drastically for the game), they were in a soft Cover 4 the whole drive.

Outside of the two TD throws Sunday (which were very good and on consecutive plays), even on the TD drive JC didn't look good at all. On the two TD throws we don't know if it was a case of two great reads and plays by JC or if Zorn/Smith saw something in the D and dialed up great playcalls where JC just had to set and deliver, not read. A game manager or average QB cannot account for 3 TDs and 5 turnovers (again, lucky it wasn't 8) in two games.

EDIT: Also, I don't want anything I'm saying to be mistaken. I like JC, he's a quality young man and a good lead-by-example guy. I want him to be successful here, if he's not, based on what's likely available this off-season we're in trouble at the QB position.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

-Flacco has 3 formidable RBs and a great defense

Flacco might turn out to be the best of three. On NFL Network they were actually comparing Ryan to Brady when they played the other game. I was like WTF?

Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.

[Green1]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.

I agree 100%

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.

Cam Cameron, the same Cam that use to coach the Dolphins. The Cam that Dolphins fans booed for drafting Ted Ginn Jr. over Brady Quinn. Well he did manage to go 1-15 with the Fins. I guess he would be a upgrade over Zorn(not really). Week 4 lets fire the coach and we are 2-2 wow some fans never change and they want stability in the Redskins organization.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Cam Cameron, the same Cam that use to coach the Dolphins. The Cam that Dolphins fans booed for drafting Ted Ginn Jr. over Brady Quinn. Well he did manage to go 1-15 with the Fins. I guess he would be a upgrade over Zorn(not really). Week 4 lets fire the coach and we are 2-2 wow some fans never change and they want stability in the Redskins organization.

he said SOMEday not TOday

[over the mountain]

so we all agreee JC is an average to decent qb!!!

go skins!!

[SkinDogg]

Jason, tough game yesterday, and I know you're not long for this town. But wherever you go, and however it ends up, be safe in this game. I wish you nothing but the very best.

[CultBrennan59]

I respect those last two comments

[JLee9718]

I would hate to see the Skins waste a number 1 draft choice on a QB who might not pan out. Furthermore, you can't be patient with personnel who directly affect the QB's play. If these are the best O-Linemen we can get, then we need another set of eyes to watch the O-Line coach! Do they spend enough time in the weight room? They get pushed around quite a bit.

[Kalisto2010]

Here's my personal take on Campbell. How come when he went down, and Collins stepped in and won 4 straight and led us to playoffs how come none of us were complaining about our O-line? We had no O-line problems when Collins was QB'ing. Collins not getting a chance to start is the biggest injustice since sending Warren Moon to the Edmonton Eskimo's. During his 4 regular season starts in Washington he has a QB rating of 106.4.

So he's my bold prediction. If we get a new coach this season, Campbell will be benched, Collins would start and the Skins will start winning again.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Here's my personal take on Campbell. How come when he went down, and Collins stepped in and won 4 straight and led us to playoffs how come none of us were complaining about our O-line? We had no O-line problems when Collins was QB'ing. Collins not getting a chance to start is the biggest injustice since sending Warren Moon to the Edmonton Eskimo's. During his 4 regular season starts in Washington he has a QB rating of 106.4.

So he's my bold prediction. If we get a new coach this season, Campbell will be benched, Collins would start and the Skins will start winning again.

Well if I remember right Collins' start also coincided with changes made on the OL. We benched Todd Wade, slid Fabini inside and made Heyer the starting RT.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well if I remember right Collins' start also coincided with changes made on the OL. We benched Todd Wade, slid Fabini inside and made Heyer the starting RT.

While I'm sure those adjustments helped, the x-factor was the 106.4 passer rating. His play completely re-energized our team.