When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

This is from Fox and CNN.

IG confirms he is reviewing whether Strzok's anti-Trump bias impacted launch of Russia probe | Fox News

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/polit...ort/index.html

Ok. Investigation acknowledged.

Compared to the wall to wall splash of liberal propaganda on the immigration front, you would think this might get a sliver headline on CNN's front page, but I had to use the search function keyword "Strzok" to find their article, to atleast be able to claim fairness. Instead you hear the liberal's all to familiar cry of "but the {hyperventilated breathing} children {heavy sigh}"

Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.

Remember when DACA was all about the Children until it turned out the children were now adults. Now liberals are done with them.

False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.

(on immigration, moderate democrats - if there are any - need to break ranks, join with moderate republicans and pass a bill that fixes the issues. It's not complicated, but Democrats think they are going to ride the cry of save the children to the ballot box. They just have to find the right group of children. and they may have with this latest propaganda blitz)

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Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Ok. Investigation acknowledged.



Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.



False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.

Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.[/QUOTE]

On your comment on CNN, i hear what you are saying, but I would add this, hollywood and the media elites around it feed the stream of liberal talking points throughout the airwaves. So while the obvious politicos channels biases are overt, the mass streaming culture has a heavy subset of the liberal progressive viewpoint.

I strongly agree about the bipartisanship statements.

[Giantone]

He knows the end is coming.He's losing it.




https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...130345147.html


Meltdown in Duluth: Trump yells at protesters and 'elites' at rally
Ken Tucker 7 hours ago
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President Trump at a rally in Duluth, Minn. (Photo: Fox News)
Facing resistance from both Republicans and Democrats as well as condemnation from citizens all over the United States, President Trump felt a need to be loved again, so he did what he always does when he needs love — he left his house and did a campaign rally. On Wednesday night, it was in Duluth, Minn., where a crowd turned out to cheer their man. Well, most of them cheered. Twice, Trump paused while security forces ejected protesters. “Get ’em outta here!” Trump roared. While the second one was being given the bum’s rush, Trump sneered, “Go home to your mommy, darling! Get him outta here. Out! Was that a man or a woman? Because he needs a haircut more than I do!” It was like a 1960s flashback, with law-and-order politicians like George Wallace yelling about long-haired hippies.

Trump’s anger at the protesters was revealing. I’ve watched nearly all of his rallies, and he has never been this intent on seeing any sign of protest erased. He really lingered on watching the protesting people being removed from his sight — he stared silently, glaring. It was as though Trump resented any disruption in the last place he can get unconditional love anymore — he feels beleaguered in the current state of his presidency.


At another point, his stream-of-consciousness riffing led him to this nugget about his perceived enemies: “They always call the other side ‘the elites.’ Why are they the elite? I have a much better apartment than they do. I’m smarter than they are. I’m richer than they are. I became president and they didn’t.” Aside from being the sort of childish brag a child would be embarrassed to be caught saying, does someone actually need to tell Trump it’s his side that calls liberals “the elite”?

And when I refer to “his side,” I of course include Fox News, which was airing the rally. Indeed, it was the only cable news outlet to do so, and Fox really wanted you to know it. The channel put this unusual chyron onscreen beneath Trump: “Trump Rally Live & Only on Fox News. Other Networks Ignore Presidential Rally.” I’ll give you the rough translation of that: “Fearless leader speaks: State television must broadcast.”

[MTK]

FFS...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44570688

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

FFS...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44570688

Let them eat cake

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Let them eat cake

Sad part is ,that is the true sentiment with them.

[CRedskinsRule]

LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:



full fledged fake news, Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother

Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

Honduran deputy foreign minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera's version of events.

I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:



full fledged fake news, Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother



I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.

So tell me what is the difference between this pic and trumps fake claims about his rally's and swearing in crowed sizes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZ1UmHEEdc

I all so don't see anything on the cover that says she was ?Does it imply it yes but does it say it, no. The picture makes you assume and that was it's job.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:



full fledged fake news, Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother



I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.

Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.

What creates people hating the US, in my opinion, is giving false hope. I know the point that the media and liberals were trying to make, and it was as much a lie as that picture. We aren't putting kids in concentration camps. And if a person commits an illegal act in any US state, they are going to be separated from their kids. We have a legal process for immigration, and every country has an absolute right to establish immigration processes.

As a generalized statement, liberals want pure open borders, and that isn't available by any other country in the world.

I actually support a very generous LEGAL immigration policy, but that's up to Congress to write the laws. I fault both parties, and the past 2 presidents in not dealing with this issue. I think Trump made a reasonable effort to establish 4 basic guidelines and told Congress to work it out. Congress hasn't been able to work out anything, and in the case of the House, the Republicans just want to bicker rather than pass any effective measure.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.

So as long as falsifying the means to get to the ends its just fine?

Don't you think some sort of context should be added to get an accurate report to the readers? A Time story recounting the photographer’s experience initially stated the girl was carried away screaming by border agents, and later corrected the article to say that the two were taken away together

They had to correct it...because it was certainly fake news. And they exploited the picture for political gains. SHAMEFUL

And you do understand where there is an issue with fake news? Major publications are participating in it (such as this)...and your ok with it as long as it supports the image you like.

This whole immigration was a fuckin dog and pony show and the left bought it.

Its been confirmed Obama separated families, its been confirmed these detention centers are years old and not brand new, built for the Trump policy, its been confirmed approx. 80% of children are sent alone without parents to travel long distances with cartel supported, human trafficking networks.....YET ZERO PROBLEM BEFORE THE DOG AND PONY SHOW.



Where the fuck is Mexico in this, oh their complicit as usual because remittance to support their economy is their only fucking concern. fuck the kids, fuck the human traffickers...that perfectly fine with them. You talk about a heartless government...Mexico is tops on that list.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So as long as falsifying the means to get to the ends its just fine?

Don't you think some sort of context should be added to get an accurate report to the readers? A Time story recounting the photographer’s experience initially stated the girl was carried away screaming by border agents, and later corrected the article to say that the two were taken away together

They had to correct it...because it was certainly fake news. And they exploited the picture for political gains. SHAMEFUL

And you do understand where there is an issue with fake news? Major publications are participating in it (such as this)...and your ok with it as long as it supports the image you like.

This whole immigration was a fuckin dog and pony show and the left bought it.

Its been confirmed Obama separated families, its been confirmed these detention centers are years old and not brand new, built for the Trump policy, its been confirmed approx. 80% of children are sent alone without parents to travel long distances with cartel supported, human trafficking networks.....YET ZERO PROBLEM BEFORE THE DOG AND PONY SHOW.



Where the fuck is Mexico in this, oh their complicit as usual because remittance to support their economy is their only fucking concern. fuck the kids, fuck the human traffickers...that perfectly fine with them. You talk about a heartless government...Mexico is tops on that list.

I love how that you expect no mistakes, you expect perfection ,you expect more from the media than you do your president,you need to sit back and reflect on that.You make accusations that Obama did this ,so your saying Obama was doing this and Republicans sat on it,I don't understand I thought it was you contention Obama was soft on illegal immigration ,what is it?You say confirmed please post a reliable link?You know for a guy who claims he doesn't like or support trump you sure as hell defend everything he does.........a lot.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I love how that you expect no mistakes, you expect perfection ,you expect more from the media than you do your president,you need to sit back and reflect on that.You make accusations that Obama did this ,so your saying Obama was doing this and Republicans sat on it,I don't understand I thought it was you contention Obama was soft on illegal immigration ,what is it?You say confirmed please post a reliable link?You know for a guy who claims he doesn't like or support trump you sure as hell defend everything he does.........a lot.

Jeez, I don't expect propaganda from major news sources...Im sick of the fake news mantra, but damn it, its ammunition every week. They cannot be trusted and proven to be extremely bias.

There's pictures and links of the Obama administration doing the samething as the Trump administration...the fuckin point is the media and snowflakes blatantly look the other way.

Actually Obama deported more illegals than Bush....you didn't have a problem with that did you?

[MTK]

Is it ok if even one child is not reunited with their family?? I say no.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.4fd0326d2309

A lot of these kids are going to be fucked up

The long-lasting health effects of separating children from their parents at the U.S. border

We're talking about children here folks, we need to be doing the right thing, this is not it

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Is it ok if even one child is not reunited with their family?? I say no.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.4fd0326d2309

A lot of these kids are going to be fucked up

The long-lasting health effects of separating children from their parents at the U.S. border

We're talking about children here folks, we need to be doing the right thing, this is not it

OH NO IT"S DA CHILDREN

The liberals last line of defense - you are gonna hurt da children.

Then tell the countries not to encourage illegal migration here. Tell them to actually use the foreign aid we send them to help improve their countries. Again, no other country just allows open ended migration into theirs at the rate that comes across our borders. Germany might be the closest, but they have strict rules and conditions for anyone entering.

Take a child and try to enter illegally in France or Italy and see what happens.

This is from Pres Obama's term:


Again, the liberal lies and hyperbole around this subject only serve to inflame the more severe elements in the Republican party. You can't demonize one side or the other and expect to have rational debate that results in sound policy. The republicans tried it around the Affordable Care Act, and democrats are trying it here.

There are ways to solve this problem, but saying ITS DA CHILDREN simply prevents adults from acting responsibly.