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[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

He beat an undefeated New England team at 16-0 and beat them again to win not 1 but 2 Super Bowls. It is an absolute given the Giants would retire his jersey considering he brought them 2 Lombardis.

With 2 Lombardis and 57,000 career passing yards think the Hall will be calling soon- as they should.

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

He beat, arguably, the greatest regular season team in NFL history in the 2007 Patriots. This team didn't just go 16-0 but utterly annihilated their opponents including the Redskins 52-7. Eli made the plays in the moment and slayed the greatest dragon in NFL history. Tyree did make a great play for sure but none of this happens without Eli. Prior to knocking off the greatest team in NFL history, Eli went into Dallas and Green Bay and beat 2 very, very good teams also in the playoff run.

He also beat a 13-3 New England team in 2012 to bring home a 2nd Lombardi throwing for nearly 300 yards and playing better than Tom Brady.

In both years, he did enough to get his team to the playoffs and bring home 2 Lombardis. He's a 4x Pro Bowler who was also extremely durable. What he did in both Super Bowl runs is absolutely legendary. Him being a Hall of Famer is not even a question. It is a certainty.

[skinsfan69]

No problem w/ NY retiring Eli's number or putting him in their ROF. Just don't put him in the HOF.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

He beat, arguably, the greatest regular season team in NFL history in the 2007 Patriots. This team didn't just go 16-0 but utterly annihilated their opponents including the Redskins 52-7. Eli made the plays in the moment and slayed the greatest dragon in NFL history. Tyree did make a great play for sure but none of this happens without Eli. Prior to knocking off the greatest team in NFL history, Eli went into Dallas and Green Bay and beat 2 very, very good teams also in the playoff run.

He also beat a 13-3 New England team in 2012 to bring home a 2nd Lombardi throwing for nearly 300 yards and playing better than Tom Brady.

In both years, he did enough to get his team to the playoffs and bring home 2 Lombardis. He's a 4x Pro Bowler who was also extremely durable. What he did in both Super Bowl runs is absolutely legendary. Him being a Hall of Famer is not even a question. It is a certainty.

Woof. I was pretty solidly against his jersey being retired, but now you wanna argue the HOF is a certainty?

Ya'll fuckers crazy. You let Eli in the HOF and every other statistically average QB with 1-2 titles is gonna want in.

I'll move the goalposts on this one, you can retire his jersey and plaster his derp face all over NY but helllllllllll no if he wants to be in the HOF he can buy a ticket like the rest of us.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

You say “10-15 years and a couple titles” as if that’s easy to do and not impressive. Plenty of QB’s have made the hall with 1 or 0 Super Bowl wins.

On top of his stats (which should be enough) he was the face of NY for more than a decade and made a huge impact on the franchise as a whole.

Eli was the king of the derps but he’s deserving of the accolades.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.

#1 No QB or player ever does it by himself ,it's a team sport but he did get voted MVP ,twice for the biggest game of the season.

#2..Check the stats , he is in the top ten of all QB records , like it or not.

#3 , "10-15 years" ,...in the NFL, as a QB? You act like anyone can do it .Yes he's a Manning but a Manning whom played for 16 years won two Super Bowls and was voted MVP of both games ,your arguments don't hold up.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Giantone

#1 No QB or player ever does it by himself ,it's a team sport but he did get voted MVP ,twice for the biggest game of the season.

#2..Check the stats , he is in the top ten of all QB records , like it or not.

#3 , "10-15 years" ,...in the NFL, as a QB? You act like anyone can do it .Yes he's a Manning but a Manning whom played for 16 years won two Super Bowls and was voted MVP of both games ,your arguments don't hold up.

I hate your “Giant” truths.

But, unlike the current counter culture, I face truths as they are, not as I would like them to be.

Your argument rings true in my ears.

[MTK]

Raiders’ Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Raiders’ Carl Nassib comes out as openly gay

So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So this is Team Number three for him? Browns, Bucs and now the Raiders, if he gets cut is it because he's gay? My point is no one cares, it's football and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

........and so it starts.


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Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

........and so it starts.


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Did Michael Sam get a fair chance in the NFL?
Posted by Mike Florio on June 22, 2021, 10:44 AM EDT

Talent is the bottom line in the NFL. If Sam was any good he would've made a roster.

The NFL from the top down forgives a lot of things if you have talent. You can beat your wife, murder dogs, murder people, rape women, etc. but as long as you're talented you will get a second chance. The only reason I can see this hurting Nassib in the long run is because the NFL is still a somewhat homophobic place - although it's come a long way. No doubt there will be players that try to get under Nassib's skin and if you look at the comments on his Instagram - although 90% of them are positive - there are still some people out there leaving hateful comments on his page.

Still, no doubt Nassib wouldn't have done this if he wasn't mostly comfortable with his team and the guys in the locker room. Like everyone else has said hopefully the day will come when this isn't even newsworthy anymore.

[MTK]

Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

Hopefully more players will be comfortable to follow his lead until it's commonplace and truly is no big deal.

Exactly. Hopefully Beckham will stop pretending and just come out already. 😂

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If he's in the conversation, Flacco would have to be too...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If he's in the conversation, Flacco would have to be too...

Why ?