Broncos to trade Cutler

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Why not? I mean, he's going to pay whatever it takes to get him which will put us behind the eight ball to begin with. Then Cutler will spend his first year here learning a new system, after which Snyder will fire Zorn and bring in Shanahan.

Snyder might as well accept the probability that his team won't win the division for at least several years. He should take this time to rebuild the team around Cutler and Haynesworth, as his offensive and defensive anchors.

Then Snyder could pick up some young players and draft picks via trade. He should either initiate or listen to trade offers for any player who is now 30 years old or older. That includes Moss, Samuels, ARE and others. If he needs to throw Cooley into the trade to get Cutler, well, what the hell, the Skins won't be winning for a while anyhow.

BTW, from now on, I won't be referring to the ficticious FO or using the terms "we" or "us" when discussing possible personnel moves. There is only Dan Snyder and his immense ego to consider. Please feel free to correct me if I should slip-up and accidently use any of the above discarded terms in any of my future posts.

If the Skins go this way then the Haynesworth signing is a bad move! By the time he has any player to help him he will be over the hill.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What did Smoot say exactly?

Smoot posted this around page 22:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've been trying to get a 2nd rounder (damn you Jason Taylor!!) for a while now. I know for sure we've dangled Santana Moss out there, and I'm almost positive we dangled Rogers out there as well.

I'm not as down on Cutler as others are, so under the right circumstances, I'm not going to flip a lid if he came here. That said, I still don't think this is where he ultimately ends up (that's just my opinion though). But either way, I don't think Campbell is the future here. I don't agree with it, I think it will be a mistake to let him go. But, as much as Redskins coaches and execs may sing his praises in public, the truth is he has limited support (even from teammates) since even before he got hurt two seasons ago. His biggest supporter is now...the QB coach in Seattle.

Another member here asked him if his sources for this info were reliable and he confirmed.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Never? I'm not even sold on him being a true franchise QB yet. Let's not pencil him into the Hall already.

As far as who could be available who knows? Did anyone see Cutler becoming available?

Good point. The fact remains, though, that young pro-bowl QBs rarely become available. Given the number of teams reported to be interested in Cutler, it seems that many of "the people who matter" (owners, GMS, and coaches) all beleive his is a perennial pro-bowl-type QB. Whether he really is that or just another Derek Anderson remains to be seen.

[MTK]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Fred Smoot.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Now that Denver apparently just want picks, and not necessarily another starting QB, puts other teams like the Jets, Browns, or Bucs ahead of the game I think. If McDaniels doesn't want another QB, why doesn't he get Peppers and a 2nd rounder from Carolina for Cutler? After the dismal performance by Delhomme, Carolina should want to replace him.

Denver needs d-line help. Every mock I've seen has them taking a d-lineman or LB. They could trade up and get a QB if they wanted. This deal would actually make sense.

[Dirtbag59]

Look on the brightside guy. At least with Cutler we'll have a QB that will be more suited to making our red zone offense work. It's just I don't know who was more responsible for guys like Cooley having 1td catch weather it be Zorns playcalling or Campbells inability to decide.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by celts32

Of course he's made some nice plays...but at the end of the day he averages 1 or 2 TD's a game. Look I am not a Campbell basher...and I don't want to start being one. I am more pro Cutler then I am anti Campbell. If Cutler is off the table I am happy to go into the season with Campbell.

If Cutler is going to cost two # 1s then he should be off the table, the difference between Cutler and Campbell is not that great to give up even a single # 1. I said initially Campbell and a 3rd would be the most I'd give up.

- What's Cutler going to do with sub 5'10" starting receivers and an old/injury prone OL?
- If you look at his game logs, he's not setting the world on fire week-in & week-out. He'll have a monster game (usually against a sub-par D) and then throw 2 picks and an 0 TDs.
- Outside of the first 3 games of 2008, the Denver O wasn't "lighting it up" by any means.
- By the middle of the season, folks in Denver were talking about Cutler being a bust and possibly gone after 2008.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Cutler is going to cost two # 1s then he should be off the table, the difference between Cutler and Campbell is not that great to give up even a single # 1. I said initially Campbell and a 3rd would be the most I'd give up.

- What's Cutler going to do with sub 5'10" starting receivers and an old/injury prone OL?
- If you look at his game logs, he's not setting the world on fire week-in & week-out. He'll have a monster game (usually against a sub-par D) and then throw 2 picks and an 0 TDs.
- Outside of the first 3 games of 2008, the Denver O wasn't "lighting it up" by any means.
- By the middle of the season, folks in Denver were talking about Cutler being a bust and possibly gone after 2008.

They're saying that Denver doesn't want Campbell

so obviously they're putting their stock in Simms, the draft, or somebody else in the mix's qb (umm who has one better than campbell?)

I like campbell but things like this show how we seem to overvalue our players, we can't even ship the guy we say we need to give a chance to become our franchise qb, kinda telling no?

[Gmanc711]

I just dont understand this. Cutler, yes, is better than Jason Campbell at this point. And I disagree with a ton of people on this board, and I think Campbell has done a pretty good job since he got started here. They're going to trade all this crap for Cutler, which is just going to open more holes. I'm sorry, but Joe Montana would have stunk the second half of last year behind that offensive line, and I dont care who goes back there next year, if the line isnt better, they're going to get killed. I dont understand why we arent just using the 13 pick on a tackle, who can probaboly step in and be better than Jansen/Heyer disaster that was there last year.

Adding Landry or Cooley into the mix (although I dont think either of those will really happen), is just idiotic beyond belief. Cooley is exactly what we shoudl be looking to re-create with this team. A player who we drafted and turned into a guy who could be with and the face of the franchise for 15 years. I really wont touch too much on Landry or Cooley because I dont think that will really happen in either case....

Overall, I just dont see how were upgrading the team making a move like this. Sending two first rounders to Denver for Cutler instead of keeping the 13 pick, using it on a tackle, or trading down and trying to get mutiple picks to get a tackle and a LB or DE... I just don't get this front office. I was never a guy who disagreed with the way they ran things, because they always did something that I thought was making the team better...but this really is the end of the line for me thinking they have a clue as to what they're doing. It does not make the team better in my opinion... and to all the people who say "Hey look what happened the second half of the season to Jason Campbell and the Redskins".... I say, look what happened in Denver... they tanked worse than we did against terrible teams... at least we (save Cincinatti) lost to teams that were at least somewhat decent (Pittsburgh, Baltimore, NYG, Dallas), heck even SF was on the way up when we lost that game... I mean Denver tanked in a terrible AFC West...

If this was just Cutler for Campbell, than fine, but we're (as ususal) going to take care of someone elses problems and overpay like a Mo-Fo.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Cutler is going to cost two # 1s then he should be off the table, the difference between Cutler and Campbell is not that great to give up even a single # 1. I said initially Campbell and a 3rd would be the most I'd give up.

- What's Cutler going to do with sub 5'10" starting receivers and an old/injury prone OL?
- If you look at his game logs, he's not setting the world on fire week-in & week-out. He'll have a monster game (usually against a sub-par D) and then throw 2 picks and an 0 TDs.
- Outside of the first 3 games of 2008, the Denver O wasn't "lighting it up" by any means.
- By the middle of the season, folks in Denver were talking about Cutler being a bust and possibly gone after 2008.

We just differ on how good we think Cutler is. It's pretty clear that the people inside the NFL place a far greater value on Cutler then you do.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If Cutler is going to cost two # 1s then he should be off the table, the difference between Cutler and Campbell is not that great to give up even a single # 1. I said initially Campbell and a 3rd would be the most I'd give up.

- What's Cutler going to do with sub 5'10" starting receivers and an old/injury prone OL?
- If you look at his game logs, he's not setting the world on fire week-in & week-out. He'll have a monster game (usually against a sub-par D) and then throw 2 picks and an 0 TDs.
- Outside of the first 3 games of 2008, the Denver O wasn't "lighting it up" by any means.
- By the middle of the season, folks in Denver were talking about Cutler being a bust and possibly gone after 2008.

I said before I don't want to get into Campbell bashing becasue that's not my MO...but I am tired of the bad OL crutch we give Campbell. The Steelers OL was horrible for most of the season and Ben always managed to make the playes needed for them to win. Do you think they would have won the Super Bowl with Campbell as starter?

[MTK]

Ben wasn't learning another new offense on top of having a bad OL. Ben also has more weapons and a better running game and defense.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by celts32

Of course he's made some nice plays...but at the end of the day he averages 1 or 2 TD's a game. Look I am not a Campbell basher...and I don't want to start being one. I am more pro Cutler then I am anti Campbell. If Cutler is off the table I am happy to go into the season with Campbell.

Cutler averages 1 or 2 INTs a game and is a petulant little crybaby. Campbell is a team player who has proven he can be GREAT and play mistake-free football while going down field and make us a winner...if the team around him holds up. Even after the line fell apart and the rookie WRs failed to show up, he made a lot of plays out of nothing on his own. He's more mobile and accurate than Cutler.

Those clips were more than "nice plays". They show he understands the position, sees the field and can turn broken plays into big gains both on the ground and in the air. They also show that he's still getting better. He did have a fumbling problem two years ago. Last season, not only was that issue resolved, but he didn't throw any picks for half the season. Cutler is an interception machine. Look at Campbell's pocket presence in those clips...or any clip where he's not being sacked within 2 seconds. His feet are always moving and he's always scanning through his WRs. He honestly looks like Peyton Manning in that aspect. He doesn't have Peyton's arm, but he does have a very good, strong arm and can pull the ball in and take off for a 20+yard run if everyone is covered.

Long-term, I trust Campbell a LOT more than Cutler. Not only because he'll do his job without crying, but because he has steadily been getting better every year and I expect his development and success to continue.

[Skinny Tee]

Well, look at the upside.

Think of all the jerseys that will be sold on the team's website if we acquire Cutler!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Well, look at the upside.

Think of all the jerseys that will be sold on the team's website if we acquire Cutler!

And yet another useless jersey of a former player sitting in my closet collecting dust.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And yet another useless jersey of a former player sitting in my closet collecting dust.

nostalgia baby