Obama Care

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Oh for a second I thought you said you were dating Barney Frank.

Great comeback. :yeahright

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I heard Rush is staying because the island does not have any room because of all the liberals who said they would move if Bush got elected. Both times.

Actually liberals that I know threatened to move to Canada because it has a rational health care system.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Actually liberals that I know threatened to move to Canada because it has a rational health care system.

Yes they do ration their health care.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Actually liberals that I know threatened to move to Canada because it has a rational health care system.

Utopian expectation. I had a fungal infection in my nose that was eroding my skull. I got surgery from one of the two best doctors for my condition in the country scheduled a week out (meaning it was one week between when I asked for the surgery to be scheduled and the actual operation). Two surgeries and 12 hours in the operating room later the danger was gone (It was estimated that in 10 years I could have easily died from brain abcess). It then took two years of follow ups and another surgery to truly clear the infection. I never wourld have gotten such treatment in Canada.

In fact I remember seeing a story about a girl who kept having blackouts that prevented her from even leaving her house and yet she had to wait something like 4 months just to get an MRI. Never mind brain surgery, but a freaking MRI.

You want an idea of health care in Canada then look no further then how canadians themselves have portrayed it in the past.

Start around 1:28

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Utopian expectation. I had a fungal infection in my nose that was eroding my skull. I got surgery from one of the two best doctors for my condition in the country scheduled a week out (meaning it was one week between when I asked for the surgery to be scheduled and the actual operation). Two surgeries and 12 hours in the operating room later the danger was gone (It was estimated that in 10 years I could have easily died from brain abcess). It then took two years of follow ups and another surgery to truly clear the infection. I never wourld have gotten such treatment in Canada.

In fact I remember seeing a story about a girl who kept having blackouts that prevented her from even leaving her house and yet she had to wait something like 4 months just to get an MRI. Never mind brain surgery, but a freaking MRI.

You want an idea of health care in Canada then look no further then how canadians themselves have portrayed it in the past.

Start around 1:28

Canadian Health Care In Crisis - CBS News. I heard Peter Jennings tell how his mother who is Canadien had to wait for 3 weeks to get an MRI after hurting her back , she had herniated / ruptured disks in her back . Bet that was a freakin long three weeks !

[Lotus]

^ I have quite a few friends from Canada who tell me that they've never had to wait for any procedure, no matter how exotic, and have always gotten great health care. The only thing that they complain about is the parking rate they have to pay near the hospital.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Actually liberals that I know threatened to move to Canada because it has a rational health care system.

Even the left here say they ration care.

[firstdown]

Even Canada's own leaders come here for heart surgery.


ST. JOHN'S, N.L. -- Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

"He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done," said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.

"In consultation with his own doctors, he's decided to go that route."



Read more: N.L. Premier Williams set to have heart surgery in U.S.
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[MTK]

Canada might not be perfect but their system still trumps ours.

[JoeRedskin]

Every health care system in the world has issues and there is anecdotal evidence for just about each one showing it's failures. Likewise, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence in support of most of them.

In 10 years we will know if the system enacted this week delivers on its promises. Personally, I predict that in about 5 years, quality of care wiill decrease for the vast majority of Americans while their costs increase. Further, we will still be getting horror stories of inadequate care or unaffordable services. Not the same type as today, but horror stories still the same.

But "Yay!!" We have universal health care.

My advice: Start a health insurace company. Plan for 5-6 years of boom profits as mandated insurance provides a huge new customer base. After that, as costs skyrocket due to Dr. shortages, malpractice costs, and skewed market forces, plan on a two year wind down by increasing premiums to drive your customer base into the public option. Under most state regulations, your mandated reserves will carry you through a year or two for winding down. It's a short term plan, but properly played worth a few million. Good luck!

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Every health care system in the world has issues and there is anecdotal evidence for just about each one showing it's failures. Likewise, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence in support of most of them.

In 10 years we will know if the system enacted this week delivers on its promises. Personally, I predict that in about 5 years, quality of care wiill decrease for the vast majority of Americans while their costs increase. Further, we will still be getting horror stories of inadequate care or unaffordable services. Not the same type as today, but horror stories still the same.

But "Yay!!" We have universal health care.

My advice: Start a health insurace company. Plan for 5-6 years of boom profits as mandated insurance provides a huge new customer base. After that, as costs skyrocket due to Dr. shortages, malpractice costs, and skewed market forces, plan on a two year wind down by increasing premiums to drive your customer base into the public option. Under most state regulations, your mandated reserves will carry you through a year or two for winding down. It's a short term plan, but properly played worth a few million. Good luck!

Tell me more.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Every health care system in the world has issues and there is anecdotal evidence for just about each one showing it's failures. Likewise, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence in support of most of them.

In 10 years we will know if the system enacted this week delivers on its promises. Personally, I predict that in about 5 years, quality of care wiill decrease for the vast majority of Americans while their costs increase. Further, we will still be getting horror stories of inadequate care or unaffordable services. Not the same type as today, but horror stories still the same.

But "Yay!!" We have universal health care.

My advice: Start a health insurace company. Plan for 5-6 years of boom profits as mandated insurance provides a huge new customer base. After that, as costs skyrocket due to Dr. shortages, malpractice costs, and skewed market forces, plan on a two year wind down by increasing premiums to drive your customer base into the public option. Under most state regulations, your mandated reserves will carry you through a year or two for winding down. It's a short term plan, but properly played worth a few million. Good luck!

I was reading up on this a little yesterday. Is the term called capitization?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I was reading up on this a little yesterday. Is the term called capitization?

The term for what?

[JoeRedskin]

Also, have an expensive procedure that you are putting off? Don't. Plan your life so that you can get all the benefits out of your coverage over the next 3-5 years. If your current insurance covers it, get it. See what type, if any, of elective surgeries are covered. Want them? Get them in teh next 2-3 years.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Also, have an expensive procedure that you are putting off? Don't. Plan your life so that you can get all the benefits out of your coverage over the next 3-5 years. If your current insurance covers it, get it. See what type, if any, of elective surgeries are covered. Want them? Get them in teh next 2-3 years.

I was going to get plastic surgery when I turned 40 in about 16 or 100 years. Does that mean I should get it now? Lulz.