Ongoing CBA discussions

[Ruhskins]

So, who's going to send Matty and SmootSmack to mediation when they have their disagreements? LOL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

lol...How'd I miss this gem?

/faceplam


My only question is why they are so adamant about implementing a HGH testing policy. Do they not know that's how the NFL got to where it's at? Because guys have been juicing and taking shit to enhance that level of play to where it impossible to believe? Lavar Arrington weighing in at 251 running a 4.54 in the 40 and people believe that's natural?...lol (Courtney Brown's numbers were even sicker)

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and might enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training.

ALSO... believe it or not there are PLENTY guys out there that are natually 250 or bigger and can run fast and lift a ton of weight. Sounds like you've bought in to the media BS. lol.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and mighht enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training.

ALSO... believe it or not there are PLENTY guys out there that are natually 250 or bigger and can run fast and lift a ton of weight. Sounds like you've bought in to the media BS. lol.

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

True. If anything it's a drug that will lean you up and make your skin tighter around your muscles.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've already been down this road with people on this board. HGH IS NOT a performance enhancer. It DOES NOT make you stronger. It DOES NOT make you run faster. The drugs that makes you stronger are certain types of steroids....trenbolone or tren, any type of test, d-bol, deca...those are the ones that makes you big and strong and might enhance performance... IF taken the right way, and the correct diet and the right type of training. .

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

You are correct sir. Not proud to say that I'm around this shit alot. HGH will not make you faster and stronger. Although with the proper diet and training your appearance is vastly different. Test, dbol deca. Those will enhance performance.

Not sure where either of you get your information regarding PEDs, but HGH will cause muscle (and bone) structure growth within your body. The reason it's so heavily used is because they don't test for it currently and never had a test for it until recently.

This muscle and bone structure growth ultimately makes you stronger. You want to know why Barry Bond's head size increased? It's because his bone structure increased allowing the muscle on his body to increase also. Taking HGH is like turning back the clock in time.

I'm not debating it whether you'll get more strength from a 6 week cycle of Deca/D-bol mix vs HGH. However, the HGH changes will be permanent (bone structure anyways), the Deca/D-bol results will not when one stops the cycle.

I've taken a 185lb guy and turned him into a 245lb monster. Within 6 months of him stopping steroids, this guy was down to almost his original size.

I don't condone steroids, nor do I judge people that use them. To each their own. The reason I know it's a big thing in the NFL is because there is a guy currently in the NFL I know. Matt Dodge. You might have heard of him, or seen him diving at DeSean Jackson's shoe strings as he ran by. This guy was a steroid freak here at ECU. You'd think he played outside linebacker with his size. When Matt's saying that HGH is prevalent in the NFL, I"m going to be inclined to believe him since he does the shit.


*links removed at request of owner* (81% muscle increase in studies...lol...not a enhancer folks)


I suggest you two look at what HGH can really do for the human body. I assure you, I haven't bought into any "media myths". I normally do my own research on the subject at hand.

Poster boy for HGH in the NFL. (David Boston)


I still remember this article where Doctors could tell the skeleton structure had change from Ohio State and the NFL. (particularly the jawline)

A most likely candidate.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure where either of you get your information regarding PEDs, but HGH will cause muscle (and bone) structure growth within your body. The reason it's so heavily used is because they don't test for it currently and never had a test for it until recently.

This muscle and bone structure growth ultimately makes you stronger. You want to know why Barry Bond's head size increased? It's because his bone structure increased allowing the muscle on his body to increase also. Taking HGH is like turning back the clock in time.

I'm not debating it whether you'll get more strength from a 6 week cycle of Deca/D-bol mix vs HGH. However, the HGH changes will be permanent (bone structure anyways), the Deca/D-bol results will not when one stops the cycle.

I've taken a 185lb guy and turned him into a 245lb monster. Within 6 months of him stopping steroids, this guy was down to almost his original size.

I don't condone steroids, nor do I judge people that use them. To each their own. The reason I know it's a big thing in the NFL is because there is a guy currently in the NFL I know. Matt Dodge. You might have heard of him, or seen him diving at DeSean Jackson's shoe strings as he ran by. This guy was a steroid freak here at ECU. You'd think he played outside linebacker with his size. When Matt's saying that HGH is prevalent in the NFL, I"m going to be inclined to believe him since he does the shit.


*links removed at request of owner* (81% muscle increase in studies...lol...not a enhancer folks)


I suggest you two look at what HGH can really do for the human body. I assure you, I haven't bought into any "media myths". I normally do my own research on the subject at hand.

Poster boy for HGH in the NFL. (David Boston)


I still remember this article where Doctors could tell the skeleton structure had change from Ohio State and the NFL. (particularly the jawline)

A most likely candidate.

And all that HGH made Boston play like Jerry Rice didn't it? lol..I'll just say this. I've been weight training for over 25 years and been around people that train and compete. I don't need to pull up biased articles and pictures to prove my point. I could pull up articles that go the other way. We'll just agree to disagree.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And all that HGH made Boston play like Jerry Rice didn't it? lol..I'll just say this. I've been weight training for over 25 years and been around people that train and compete. I don't need to pull up biased articles and pictures to prove my point. I could pull up articles that go the other way. We'll just agree to disagree.

I think you are misunderstanding my point or what I said. HGH (or any steroid) isn't going to make you throw a football like Peyton Manning or avoid tacklers like Barry Sanders. You still have to have that ability to play at that level. Those steroids (and HGH) will just magnify your physical ability to perform at a higher level. Roger Clemons was on HGH, but that HGH didn't make him the pitcher he is in terms of talent. What it did do is prolong his career and basically slow down the aging process. (same with these hitters and nfl players)


I didn't post any "biased" articles. I posted documented facts. If you have documented evidence to disprove that evidence, by all means share.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think you are misunderstanding my point or what I said. HGH (or any steroid) isn't going to make you throw a football like Peyton Manning or avoid tacklers like Barry Sanders. You still have to have that ability to play at that level. Those steroids (and HGH) will just magnify your physical ability to perform at a higher level. Roger Clemons was on HGH, but that HGH didn't make him the pitcher he is in terms of talent. What it did do is prolong his career and basically slow down the aging process. (same with these hitters and nfl players)


I didn't post any "biased" articles. I posted documented facts. If you have documented evidence to disprove that evidence, by all means share.

But that was my whole point. HGH isn't going to enhance performance to the point where it's going to make a star out an average player. It's not going to make a bad player an average player. This isn't baseball. That's why Roger Goddell needs to leave it alone. It's not going to make David Boston play like Jerry Rice. It isn't going to make Santana Moss play any better. Is it going to make him heal faster from an injury? Maybe. If it does then the NFL should want it's stars on the field. Is it going to prolong someones career? Again, maybe, maybe not. If a guy plays a long time, like Jerry Rice, or Darrell Green, he's working out like a mad man and taking care of his body, he's eating right, he's training hard, he's doing all the little things that it takes. The HGH plays such a SMALL factor that it's just not that important to worry about. Especially when there's a lockout going on.

[JoeRedskin]

Sorry, I missed it - How did we get on steroid use? Are the lawyers injecting PED's to gain an advantage in the Courtroom? Should they all be required to pee in a cup before be allowed to sit at the negotiating table?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry, I missed it - How did we get on steroid use? Are the lawyers injecting PED's to gain an advantage in the Courtroom? Should they all be required to pee in a cup before be allowed to sit at the negotiating table?

You need a blood test for HGH.

[Dirtbag59]

HAHA HAHA HA: Good one!

[Longtimefan]

A modified salary system for rookies was a negotiating point for a new CBA until talks broke off March 11 and the NFLPA dissolved as a union.

NFL aims to soften blow from bad draft picks - Washington Times

[Lotus]

Now former players are suing the NFLPA. Football has become a lawsuit fiesta!

Ex-NFL stars sue players association - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Now former players are suing the NFLPA. Football has become a lawsuit fiesta!

Ex-NFL stars sue players association - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Ya know when the pot reaches 9billion, every lawyer in the country (except our Warpath elite lawyers) starts wondering who they can represent and get a bit of that. I expect that pretty soon parking lot attendants and concessionaires will have lawyers and a class action suit.

New infomercial airing tonight:

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Call the Law offices of Simon 'Blitz' Katz, and Howard 'LongBall' Simonewiz at 1-888-FOOTBALL

[skinsfaninok]

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