Redskins agree to trade for No.2 overall pick in 2012 Draft

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I strongly disagree with your assumption that Vinny Cerrato and Mike Shanahan had similar self-serving motivations to make acquisitions.

First of all, you have no idea of what may have motivated either one of these men to do a deal.

Secondly, the very thought that MS just wanted a new QB and not necessarily a better QB in order to save his own job is preposterous. A QB that is new and not necessarily better won't save his job.

The evidence that this was a football decision is that RGIII, who is a highly regarded prospect, has the ability to throw on the run and possesses extraordinary deep passing accuracy, which makes him a near perfect fit for the offense that MS wants to run.

Perhaps Shanahan was just waiting for the right QB to become available and now he has acquired the draft position to get that QB. We need one, don't we?

Your point would be more valid if instead of giving as much as we did, if we had given a fair trade for the no. 2 pick. At such a level of compensation, I think you could defend the angle that the Redskins were just waiting for the right time to strike and found the right time after three years.

The compensation in the deal clearly suggests that this wasn't the right time so much as it was the only time.

You could have taken Shanahan's decision not to draft a QB last year at face value based on what he said about it, i.e, he didn't like any of them enough to draft one of them. Instead, you have decided to view the price Shanahan paid for RGIII as evidence that Shanahan stupidly painted himself into a corner by not drafting a QB last year, just as Vinny might have done. Is that right?

If it wasn't clear already, what Mike Shanahan thinks of quarterback prospects doesn't and shouldn't matter to us because it doesn't change the reality of the situation in terms of what was available and what we actually had. And if you took him at face value, then you would have to conclude that he thought Grossman and Beck were better than everyone in the draft last year.

He did paint himself into a tight corner, but I don't think the price for RG3 is evidence of that. I think the price of RG3 is more indicative of how much the heat had been turned up on him since last offseason when approaching the offense leisurely and focusing on the defensive front was a more acceptable way to approach things.

Shanahan has given himself a fighting chance to save his job. It's still an uphill battle, and Shanahan (not Griffin) will take the fall if the Redskins don't succeed in 2012, but he certainly has given himself more control over the team's success or failure this season with this move.

[Paintrain]

I've got no issues with the trade.. Even with what we gave up, we STILL have 20 picks over the next 3 drafts. People are acting as if we gave up our entire drafts for the next 3 years. I'm not trying to poo-poo the value of a 1st round pick but we've had plenty of first rounders over the past 2 decades and haven't done crap. Plus, I'm considering Jenkins the equivalent of our 2nd round pick this year since he's going to be a rookie essentially.

One of the things I said at the beginning of the offseason is that I was tired of settling at the QB position, either with retread veterans or with second tier rookies. This move was pushing all the chips to the middle of the table and going for it.

The next week will shape the franchise for the next 5-7 years. We have to get first round value/production in free agency at some key positions.

For the naysayers who think that RGIII has to be a Hall of Famer or take us to a Super Bowl in the next 3 years, its gonna suck to be you either way. If he's great, then you were flat wrong about 'wasted picks' or 'overpaying' or whatever else. If he's a bust or mediocre then you get to gloat about your favorite team not succeeding. I'll just choose to be positive and enjoy the ride.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.

I wonder if the Redskins will prepare as if there is a very slim margin Luck will be available, or if they'll contact the Colts to find out if there's a snowball's chance in hell Luck doesn't go #1. I'm pretty certain RG3 will be a Redskin come draft day but the possibility will always exist, at least until the Colts announce they've come to terms with Luck.

[mredskins]

I honestly think I rather RG3 over Luck. Seems to fit our system better.

If you are Luck or RG3 you would hope to go to Washington over Indy

[GTripp0012]

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.

[los panda]

rg3 at #2, is that going to be a 4yr/$25M deal?

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Suppose the unthinkable happens and Indy takes RG3 instead? Talk about the world turning upside down on that day.

Well then we could say we didnt actually suck for Luck but got Luck from pure luck.

[Swarley]

I think it's easy to see things in the context of how the rest of the league operates and say that we gave up a lot. No other team has really put so many eggs in one basket like we have with this move. However I choose to look at this move in comparison to both our recent success and our recent drafts. Something had to be done and this is definitely something. Sure we're missing out on 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder but at the same time plenty of teams miss on those picks regardless. If RGIII comes in and raises our level of success with multiple playoff runs and some division championships the move will be justified in my eyes even with out a Superbowl win. We've had numerous 1st rounders come in over the years and it's amounted to just about nothing so I'm okay with missing out on 2 first round picks in order to get a player like RGIII.

I really think we've been so starved for success that this was a necessary move in every way.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are.

How can you say this with any certainty at this point? Just like with draft classes, this probably cannot be accurately judged for at least 3 years. What happens if the Rams picks in '12 are busts, we go on an incredible run and their pick in '13 is #28 and in '14 is #32 with RGIII as league rookie of the year in '12 and MVP in '13? Is it still a clear win for the Rams?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting those things to happen but all of the 'we got screwed' crap is rather annoying. How about wait and see?

[CultBrennan59]

I agree that RG3 will have a better rookie season than Luck. Luck, right now, is set up to be awful in Indy. They took away all his weapons. Who is running the ball? Who is he throwing to? Who on the defense is going to make a play?

That alone makes RG3 better than Luck. Depending on what sports show you watch, a lot of analysts believe that the skins were a QB away from being a playoff team. RG3 is that perfect missing puzzle piece.

But yeah, wouldn't that be something if the Colts came out and said with the first pick the colts select robert griffin...I'd be happy with Luck but damn that'd be great either way. Its like saying who would you rather have Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. Great situation we're in.

[Shadowbyte]

Even if Barkely would of came out this year we still would of needed to give up atleast one extra first to trade up because he wouldn't of made it to #6. Now they're saying Tannehill won't make it past # 4.

[NM Redskin]

Casserly likes the trade, said he do the exact same thing. Nice!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.

You can change your sig now, I think it's a given that Sav Rocca is no longer our best offensive weapon.

Also I kinda agree with Paintrain, as with any draft trades, or any draft picks in general, I think a minimum 3 year waiting period before declaring a winner makes sense. As of now the odds are in the Rams favor, but a lot can change once players take the field.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I have no major issues with the trade itself, outside of the fact that the Rams are clear winners and the Redskins are...well, they're on the side they always are. But in the context of the last three years, it says a lot about a lot. And I don't feel like the bad guy for stating the obvious.

The trade itself can be easily justified by the player who they traded for being the player they expect him to be. The problem is with the expectations. I feel a LOT better about the trade since outside observers have weighed in basically supporting the fact that this move works, schematically. Clearly, it's not just Shanahan on an island here with the Shanaclan fans, it's a lot of people who analyze the league for a living who think that when it's all said and done, this will work.

In general though, you don't want to get caught making trades that you basically can't win, and your intention is that if everything goes as planned, you won't look foolish. Noting ever goes as planned for these guys, which leaves me with reservation. But it's tempered reservation because: a lot of people who aren't the Shanahan's like this move and think that it's only a matter of time before Griffin is the most popular guy in town.

How can you conclude who won or lost a trade the day after it happened? If Bradford ends up not being that great and RG3 is an all pro QB then the Rams should have kept the pick and drafted RG3 for themselves. There are many ways it can play out...i just dont see how you can declare the rams the clear winner of the trade today. If RG3 is a great player he's worth double what they gave up and then some. The bottom line is this trade will be judged based on RG3's career and that has not even started yet...

[Alvin Walton]

So.....#10......do we give him Jay Schroeders old number?