Any update on Campbell?

[Redskins_P]

I think Campbell has the tools to be a good/great QB. From what I hear, he is accurate and can move in the pocket ( No, I'm not saying he's the next Vick/Favre/Brady ).

If anything, we should be excited that we have a young QB with a lot of promise. Only thing we need to see now is that if he can play at this level. He was a winner in college, but he had a great running game behind him.

Until he wins a game (not preseason) in the NFL, I'm not comparing him to any QB at that level. But I do feel like he has the tools and potential to be a good QB for the Skins.

Time will tell.

[Skins fan 44]

Well maybe it will be a case of history repeating itself. Brunell (Schroyer) starts the season and Campbell (Williams) finishes it and wins the Super Bowl. Lets just hope that Campbell can last longer than Williams did after he won the Super Bowl.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't care who is QB as long as they freakin' LOOK for the other receivers!

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I don't care who is QB as long as they freakin' LOOK for the other receivers!

And the receivers get open and catch the damn ball!!!


Basically we need a 2nd receiver with some cojones/balls (not Taylor Jacobs).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

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Did you ever hear of a QB named Joe Theisman??????????

The QB who manned the helm when we set the all time scoring record in 83????????????

91' was a well balanced attack, Rypien was throwing the ball all over the place that year.

Did you ever hear of a player named Dan Fouts? He was the QB for the chargers when Gibbs was their offensive coordinator I do beleive they knew a thing or 2 about throwing the ball downfield, Gibbs knows how to use a good QB, problem was Rypien, Williams, Scroeder, were not good QB's, which was a testement to his ability to build and run an offense that didn't need a good QB, just a QB who could get by.

In case anyone didn't notice, if your 1 dimensional your probably going to lose, as we saw against Seattle, they keyed on our running game, and dared Brunell to beat us in the air, just like Philli, and Tampa did, and guess what Brunell failed miserably. I ask this question, who won those last 2 games? That's right not Brunell, our defense won both games. What happened when our defense couldn't put it in the end zone? We lost, even though our defense and special teams handed Brunell 3 turnovers. We were lucky to get into the playoffs, and because Brunell couldn't win any close games ALA, Denver, Kansas city, San Diego, we had to play every game on the road, without a week off to rest up, yet he had a great season, give me a break, he's a week link on a team that is outplaying him.

I am also tired of hearing he need's another WR excuse, he had arguably the best WR in the league this year, and the same in his TE/HB, he also had a proven winner and game breaker in Patten, yes I said PROVEN! And he could do nothing with him, funny Carolina seems to be able to get the ball to Smith and he probably has less help in the passing game than Moss, so what is it? I guess Smith has a QB who can get the ball to him, and obviously does it when it counts.

Brunell doesn't need more WR's who can get open, our WR's need a QB who can get them the ball!

So are you willing to stand pat with Patten/Jacobs/Thrash??

My point regarding the QB is Gibbs wants balance, his offense will always be centered around the running game and basically as the running game goes so does the entire offense. Theismann did have a huge season in '83, but it's kinda funny that his '84 numbers look very similar to Brunell's of '05.

[scowan]

All of this Brunell bashing is really funny. If you remove the ludicracy that has Michael Vick going to the Pro Bowl this year, I say we have a Pro Bowl QB on our team right now in Brunell. He is not Peyton Manning, but Peyton's team did not go any further than the Skins did this year. With another option at Receiver next year and another year of confidence by this team, Brunell could be a 25+ TD QB next year. His ability to manage the game is the intangible that helped the Skins get as far as they did. I know the Tampa Playoff game was ugly, but it just proved how bad we need a 3rd option in the pass pattern.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by scowan

All of this Brunell bashing is really funny. If you remove the ludicracy that has Michael Vick going to the Pro Bowl this year, I say we have a Pro Bowl QB on our team right now in Brunell. He is not Peyton Manning, but Peyton's team did not go any further than the Skins did this year. With another option at Receiver next year and another year of confidence by this team, Brunell could be a 25+ TD QB next year. His ability to manage the game is the intangible that helped the Skins get as far as they did. I know the Tampa Playoff game was ugly, but it just proved how bad we need a 3rd option in the pass pattern.

I agree. The only question I have is.....how much does Brunall have left in the tank? It seems like the season caught up to him real fast towards the end.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So are you willing to stand pat with Patten/Jacobs/Thrash??

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

So you're saying you'd feel fine going into next season with Patten as the #2 again?

Just because he was productive with one team doesn't mean he will necessarily be productive with another team. Different systems, different circumstances, different cast around him.

I like Patten but I'd like him more as the #3.

[FRPLG]

I think we need to upgrade at WR2 or WR3. I don't think Brunell leads us to a SB but after all the discussion around here and thinking about it I don't think we make any type of move at the position for next year. Who the heck would we get who is any better than Brunell anyways? Campbell is the long term answer and I am swayed to think he needs to get his shot as the 2 next year. I had been a reluctant advocate on keeping Ramsey and letting Campbell percolate as the 3 again but we need to upgrade the position long terma dn the longer we wait to get Campbell real experience the longer we have to endure having a ceiling on our passing game. I don't think Ramsey stays anyways so I am just going to get used to the idea of Brunell/Campbell/Schmoe as our QBs next year.

[FRPLG]

In addition I hope we can get some mop up time for Campbell next year early on. I'd like to see him take the starting job by the reigns as soon as possible if he is a capable as we all think.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think we need to upgrade at WR2 or WR3. I don't think Brunell leads us to a SB but after all the discussion around here and thinking about it I don't think we make any type of move at the position for next year. Who the heck would we get who is any better than Brunell anyways? Campbell is the long term answer and I am swayed to think he needs to get his shot as the 2 next year. I had been a reluctant advocate on keeping Ramsey and letting Campbell percolate as the 3 again but we need to upgrade the position long terma dn the longer we wait to get Campbell real experience the longer we have to endure having a ceiling on our passing game. I don't think Ramsey stays anyways so I am just going to get used to the idea of Brunell/Campbell/Schmoe as our QBs next year.

Schmoe is actually a pretty good prospect... he wears #0 right?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Jacobs is a wet marshmallow and Thrash is getting old. When you were only average in your prime, old age is not your friend.

Patten on the other hand, is a nine year veteran. He was a very good #2 in New England and never had problems catching passes from Tom Brady. He was also play opposite Troy Brown, who doesn't have anywhere close to Santana Moss' ability. If he can catch 35-50 balls a year, and average 600-700 yards there, I'm sure he could duplicate that here if Brunell could get him the ball.

Last year a lot of people were saying what a waste Brunell was, and how it showed that Gibbs didn't know what he was doing, the game passed him by, etc. This year, there are considerably fewer people saying Brunell was a waste.

I get the feeling we'll see the same with Patten. The problem with Patten was not so much lack of receptions. He had 22 after 8 games, on pace for 44 during the season. That's not too far off from his average of 52 a year with NE. The big concern with Patten is receiving yards. But you know what, maybe that's not the role he's going to be asked to play here. I'd still like to see another receiver here. But I'm not worried about Moss and a healthy Patten as 1 and 2.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So are you willing to stand pat with Patten/Jacobs/Thrash??

My point regarding the QB is Gibbs wants balance, his offense will always be centered around the running game and basically as the running game goes so does the entire offense. Theismann did have a huge season in '83, but it's kinda funny that his '84 numbers look very similar to Brunell's of '05.

Those numbers are also why peolple started to wonder about Theisman, and yes it was the beggining of his decline as a QB. I also believe he was around the same age as Brunell at that point.

I am not a big Thrash guy, I would like to see what jacobs can do if he had another QB throwing him the ball, I do not believe Brunell really looked at him all season, but I can't really argue at this point with the anti Jacobs guy's either, I would hang on to him for now. Patten? Why wouldn't we hang on to him, is anyone here going to make a case that Patten is not a good WR? Is his 4.2 speed not enough to seperate from defenders, Patten is the biggest case I can make for Jacobs, Patten is proven, so who's fault is it that he didn't really get any balls before his injury? That is the same reason I do not want to give up on Jacobs, for all we know Jacobs is another David Givens. If Patten had never played for the Pats, and just for us everyone would be saying what a dog he is, and he can't play, his speed is a waste, but we know from his history that's not true, well same goes for Jacobs at this point, just because he hasen't blossomed yet doesn't mean he can't, or wont.

With that said I would replace Thrash with a big reciever, I would like to get a guy who can go up and get a jump ball, we don't have that right now.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So you're saying you'd feel fine going into next season with Patten as the #2 again?

I don't think they will be able to get a receiver that's better than Patten, that also has a cap friendly contract. If it's possible, then of course they should get another #2, but seeing how much rope Gibbs gives to people that he hand picks, I doubt they will pick anyone up next year, other than depth receivers.