Brunell is Bad

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

I can throw an NFL football 40 yds. So can a bunch of people on this message board. Samuels is a top 5 LT, Jansen?, Rabach, and you think randy thomas is the only good one? Brunell has a offensive line, that I might ad is run by one of the best line coaches of all time, Joe Bugel.

do you watch other teams games regularly? rabach is average, not near top 5. he just looks great cause raymer may very well have been the worst starting center in 2004. Samuels has top 5 talent, but he's wildly inconsistant. Just cause bugle is coaching them doesn't automatically make them superstars. I didn't say they weren't good, but only thomas is head and shoulders with the league's best, and after reviewing some video, jansen may be as well :P

at LT: jones, ogden, pace, roaf, McKinnie and you could argue light, thomas, glenn and possibly clifton or the guy from the titans... so top 10-12 somewhere, but not top 5.

RT: there's a legit arguement for jansen here, everybody is pretty close. gallery will be better in a year or two and runyan is better, but gross, mckenzie and anderson are all around the same level.

at RG: shields, posibly rivera and then there's no one else... both those guys are 33 too, so thomas is top 3 without much question.

c: Kruetz, mawae, birk, nalen, weigmann, bentley, saturday, flanagan, newberry, possibly meester... he'd be in the average class there... otherwise why would the ravens let him go after he started 15 games in one season for them? they had a guy (that was on IR i believe) who they liked more.

and at LG we're probably mid 20s, there's ample room to upgrade there (spencer will be available, 350+ lbs (heaviest at combine) and ran a 5.28... dockery was 347 and ran a 5.58, so bigger and much more athletic with great drill work).

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

I'm not going to dazzle you with numbers or deep theory. I just want to see where this goes. I have been concerned with the aquisition of a #2 WR when somone posed that it is Brunell's fault not Patten's. He is absolutely right. I have never been sold on him but what little offensive success we saw last year had little to do with his play and more to do with individual great plays, good team strategy, and a great offensive line. Our most successful pass plays were quick screen's to Moss and Cooley, and passes in the flat to Sellars. This requires nothing from the QB but delivery and every 3rd QB in the league can give you delivery. Our success on these passes were due to great blocks and moss's speed. At no point did Brunell demonstrate an ability to read coverages and complete passes down the middle of the field. The long ball consisted of him throwing it as far as his weak arm could muster and have speedy Moss outrun coverage. He rarely even attempts down the field passes and when he does they make me sad. Honestly, I tear up. His willingness to throw the ball away is something for review, and he has no problem punting the ball away. I often feel that he does not want the ball and would prefer that the other team's offense had it so the defense would be responsible. We have four arguable top-5 at their position lineman who provided remarkable protection last year. Barring injuries they should be better next year, but hopefully the guy responsible for getting the ball out of the pocket will be calm, assertive, and not mark brunell.


PS- I was just watching a recording of Gibbs at the combine. I love him. And I love you.

I actually thought Brunell had a shot at the Pro Bowl last year...More of his lack of mistakes rather than numbers. Before the game in Arizona Brunell had fewer INTs than any other starting QB; I believe he still finished in the top three in that category. Brunell's not going to throw for 300 yds every week but he manages the game and understands our system. Cut him some slack he did manage to get us to the Playoffs as the list goes on of QBs that have tried and failed since our last run.

He made me a believer...I will always be bias when it comes to discussing Brunell after witnessing the game in Dallas (One of the best comebacks that I have seen to this day). He's getting up there and I to am anxious to see Campbell, but I think it was a good move to replace Ramsey last year or we would have added another year to our playoff drought.

For the first time since I can recall, I didn't have to grind my teeth every time the QB dropped back to pass...my palms weren't as sweaty (and I've been a fan since Gus Frerotte). I felt comfortable with Brunell as our starter but Ramsey scares the hell out of me and I don't have alot of patience for a rookie project (Jason Campbell)...I wouldn't mind if Brunell were handed the keys again next year.

[Paintrain]

Brunell bashers, one question... What were you looking for from the QB position that we didn't get in '05?

[Dirtbag59]

4,000+ yards passing, 45 TD, 0 Int. 80% completetion percentage, 158.3 Rating and 1,000 rushing yards.


Sorry I have high standards.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

4,000+ yards passing, 45 TD, 0 Int. 80% completetion percentage, 158.3 Rating and 1,000 rushing yards.


Sorry I have high standards.

I suggest you pull out the PlayStation2 and set it on Rookie... Brunell is definitely an upgrade from past QBs.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

I suggest you pull out the PlayStation2 and set it on Rookie... Brunell is definitely an upgrade from past QBs.

sarcasm doesn't translate to web forums i guess...

[mooby]

guys, why put the blame on brunell? it's obviously nascar boy's fault that our team sucks and is going to fail next year right? he's obviously gotten too old to handle the nfl. we should put him out to pasture.

[Daseal]

Brunell bashers, one question... What were you looking for from the QB position that we didn't get in '05?

I was looking for a quarterback to go out and win games, not go out and try not to lose games.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I was looking for a quarterback to go out and win games, not go out and try not to lose games.

dallas, reg season tampa bay (defense blew that one ten times over), dallas 2, giants-2, san fransisco, etc.

[MTK]

We did win 10 games and a playoff game too, right?

Just checking.

[12thMan]

I'm still baffled by the title of this thread. We were a couple of wins away from the big dance, and somehow people find things wrong with Portis, or Brunell, or this or that guy. I know it's an open forum and I'm totally cool with that, but to bash guys who had Pro-Bowl caliber seasons is just beyond me.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

So after all this is said and done, you've flip-flopped a bit, do you still think that Brunell is bad or do you think that he's not as great as he was made out to be last year?

I strongly feel that he made plays when he had to and definitely had a Pro Bowl caliber season, however I feel he should have had the balls to sit down when his knee wasn't 100% in the playoffs.

[Sean Taylor is God]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So after all this is said and done, you've flip-flopped a bit, do you still think that Brunell is bad or do you think that he's not as great as he was made out to be last year?

I strongly feel that he made plays when he had to and definitely had a Pro Bowl caliber season, however I feel he should have had the balls to sit down when his knee wasn't 100% in the playoffs.

While I realize my title was a bit misleading it was meant to spark interest. I am saying the latter, that brunell's success is due in large part to his team and coaches.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor is God

While I realize my title was a bit misleading it was meant to spark interest. I am saying the latter, that brunell's success is due in large part to his team and coaches.

But the same could also be said about Joe Montana, Steve Young, Joe Theismann, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, etc.....

[Sean Taylor is God]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But the same could also be said about Joe Montana, Steve Young, Joe Theismann, John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, etc.....

please don't tell me you are comparing brunell to any of those guys. They won.