Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by jamf

We have some talent on the line but they dont play like it. God I hate the left side...

My question is:
With 3 WR's, CP in the backfield and Cooley at TE, Is saunders going to keep cooley on the line to help block?
Portis is a great blocker but I think its safe to say that we would rather have the ball in his hands than cooleys.

I'm worried that Cooleys production will mostly come from 2nd and short plays.
Ideally, I would love to see cooley go down field taking a safety with him leaving the middle open for our WR's or vice versa, have our WR's take the safety deep and leave cooley over the middle being covered by a linebacker but I dont see our O-Line giving brunell enough time.

man its late, im going to sleep

You guys sure do worry an awful lot. You are worse than women!

[jamf]

Im not worried about cooley. I would rather see speed guys with the ball in their hands...

But, cooley was an Hback last year, he didnt have to block. This year he will have blooking duties. Our line isnt as good as KC's if Gonzales was on our team he would probably have block more.

[jermus22]

Everyone forgets that Saunders employed a fullback fairly often. Anybody remember Tony Richardson? How many Pro Bowls did he make as a fullback? I'm fairly confident Mike Sellers can handle those duties. Still not sure what the answer is to that double team question, but I highly doubt Portis, Cooley and all three wideouts will run routes on passing plays. I expect if the team uses Sellers in a blocking capacity, any one of the halfback, tight end, or receivers will leave the field to accommodate that demand. As for the questions about KC's offensive success: I think that an elite o-line coupled with solid RBs and ultimately excellent play calling and scheming was responsible for the team's offensive success. With our starting o-line going into its third year together, I'm sure we'll be fine. And RB is a definite strength for us. As for play calling and scheming, Gibbs, Saunders, etc. will make it happen. Why is everybody so worried?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jermus22

Everyone forgets that Saunders employed a fullback fairly often. Anybody remember Tony Richardson? How many Pro Bowls did he make as a fullback? I'm fairly confident Mike Sellers can handle those duties. Still not sure what the answer is to that double team question, but I highly doubt Portis, Cooley and all three wideouts will run routes on passing plays. I expect if the team uses Sellers in a blocking capacity, any one of the halfback, tight end, or receivers will leave the field to accommodate that demand. As for the questions about KC's offensive success: I think that an elite o-line coupled with solid RBs and ultimately excellent play calling and scheming was responsible for the team's offensive success. With our starting o-line going into its third year together, I'm sure we'll be fine. And RB is a definite strength for us. As for play calling and scheming, Gibbs, Saunders, etc. will make it happen. Why is everybody so worried?

Because it's the offseason and some clowns have nothing better to do.

[EXoffender]

Our OL is way better than average. And Cooley will excel wherever he lines up.

[jamf]

some clowns...

It's a valid question. I personally would rather see the ball in Randle Els hand instead of cooleys. I couldnt care less if he caught 1 ball all year or 80.

Hey, If you can't handle a simple question go join the circlejerk at www.ilovetroyaikmen.com and tell each other how great you look.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

some clowns...

It's a valid question. I personally would rather see the ball in Randle Els hand instead of cooleys. I couldnt care less if he caught 1 ball all year or 80.

Hey, If you can't handle a simple question go join the circlejerk at www.ilovetroyaikmen.com and tell each other how great you look.

Fine, I'll respect your question and give it a straight answer.


No. Cooley will NOT suffer a statistically significant drop in production due to the offensive line or any other cause. The other options should lower Moss' production a bit, but Cooley and Moss will still be the teams two leading receivers, because they will play every down as the other guys rotate in by package.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Fine, I'll respect your question and give it a straight answer.


No. Cooley will NOT suffer a statistically significant drop in production due to the offensive line or any other cause. The other options should lower Moss' production a bit, but Cooley and Moss will still be the teams two leading receivers, because they will play every down as the other guys rotate in by package.

That's a good point.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jamf

some clowns...

It's a valid question. I personally would rather see the ball in Randle Els hand instead of cooleys. I couldnt care less if he caught 1 ball all year or 80.

Hey, If you can't handle a simple question go join the circlejerk at www.ilovetroyaikmen.com and tell each other how great you look.

A valid question with the description 'crappy'? Doesn't an opinion invaidate the nuetrality of a question?

To answer the question, I don't think our line will impact Cooley's numbers anymore than it did last year. If anything the additional weapons will reduce his numbers if they are lower than last year. However, Saunders recent history with an athletic TE is to feed him the ball down the seams and in the flat to open things up down the field so Cooley may have more yards & TD but less receptions. Personally I could care less who gets the stats, I just want victories!

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A valid question with the description 'crappy'? Doesn't an opinion invaidate the nuetrality of a question?

No. Crappy was used as a descriptive to classify the Offensive Line, not Cooley.
The Questions 'Neutrality' was in regards to Cooleys performance.

[BigSKINBauer]

I really think we have a top 5 line behind those of like the steelers kc and seattle. Doc and Rabach are much better than people give them credit for. Last year everyone and their mothers were talking about Doc being a weak link on the o-line, including me. He still may be the weak link but that is only becaues he plays on a steller line. I think he is better than rabach now. DOc improved immensely and I don't understand why he doesn't get his credit. I think there was a thread in which we all recognized this.

Randy Thomas is the best offensive player we have and that is on a team with the likes of chris cooley, santana moss, and clinton portis. Nothing more needs to be said about randy. Samuels is underrated by skin fans as MANY of us were surprised when he made the pro bowl and some said he shouldn't have been there. Samuels doesn't do anything wrong, he is solid and does his job well. He did an amazing job against the giant DEs last year and played an all around solid year. His mistakes of false starts in prior seasons were erased and he is a pro bowl caliber player. Then jon, he, i think, was somewhat taken to a higher level by skin fans when he got hurt. We blamed all of our sadness on him not being there making him greater than he really was. I still think he is definately top 10. Doc is underappreciated and that is fine. he doesn't make mistakes and he does a solid job. He is an above average player in this league. Rabach doesn't make mistakes, outside of game-winning situations against teams like the chargers when he becomes studpid, and plays solid. He is an average player that does a great job. The center leads the line and our line plays well, he is a smart talented vetern who adds to the line in more ways than just brute strength.

Our line is top 5 and that is that. Top 3 in the NFC and that is our competition and the best in the Beast. Our line, portis, and the passing attack are going to make for a top 5 offense next year and teams should be afraid becaues our defense is going to kick some ass.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

I really think we have a top 5 line behind those of like the steelers kc and seattle. Doc and Rabach are much better than people give them credit for. Last year everyone and their mothers were talking about Doc being a weak link on the o-line, including me. He still may be the weak link but that is only becaues he plays on a steller line. I think he is better than rabach now. DOc improved immensely and I don't understand why he doesn't get his credit. I think there was a thread in which we all recognized this.

Randy Thomas is the best offensive player we have and that is on a team with the likes of chris cooley, santana moss, and clinton portis. Nothing more needs to be said about randy. Samuels is underrated by skin fans as MANY of us were surprised when he made the pro bowl and some said he shouldn't have been there. Samuels doesn't do anything wrong, he is solid and does his job well. He did an amazing job against the giant DEs last year and played an all around solid year. His mistakes of false starts in prior seasons were erased and he is a pro bowl caliber player. Then jon, he, i think, was somewhat taken to a higher level by skin fans when he got hurt. We blamed all of our sadness on him not being there making him greater than he really was. I still think he is definately top 10. Doc is underappreciated and that is fine. he doesn't make mistakes and he does a solid job. He is an above average player in this league. Rabach doesn't make mistakes, outside of game-winning situations against teams like the chargers when he becomes studpid, and plays solid. He is an average player that does a great job. The center leads the line and our line plays well, he is a smart talented vetern who adds to the line in more ways than just brute strength.

Our line is top 5 and that is that. Top 3 in the NFC and that is our competition and the best in the Beast. Our line, portis, and the passing attack are going to make for a top 5 offense next year and teams should be afraid becaues our defense is going to kick some ass.

I agree with that point. I think the weak link is Rabach. Even he may be a top half Center.

[jamf]

I am biased against raibach.
Ever since that holding penalty in OT against the freakin chargers.

Being in Bolts territory, that loss really stung

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jamf

I am biased against raibach.
Ever since that holding penalty in OT against the freakin chargers.

Being in Bolts territory, that loss really stung

He really didn't hold on that play, but he did get called for it.:smashfrea

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He really didn't hold on that play, but he did get called for it.:smashfrea

he tackled the defensive lineman from behind...it was a definite hold