Art Monk vs Michael Irvin

D'BOYZ · 06-06-2006, 12:50 PM

They both deserve to be in the HOF Monk stat wise accomplishments during his career now I've said this manny times yes the stats for Irvin 750 vs 940 of monk theres a huge difference but the thing is Irvin did that in 11 seasons (I'm not counting his last season when he got injured in the 4th game never to return) and specially since he rack the mayority of his stats in 8 years (662) he was a 5 time pro bowler and all this was done in a run oriented team that often lead the oposition before halftime and they just gave it to emmitt to run the hole second half that's why the stats of Aikman aren't so high It just was a verry talented team as a hole.

During those 11 years Irving had an average of 67 catches per year (during his top 8 83 avrg).

Monk played 15 complete good season (taking away his last season also) was a 3 time pro bowler during those 15 season he average 62.4 catches per year) if we take his 8 best years that started in 1984 and lasted to 1991 he had during that time 605 catches an avrg of 76 catches per year.

He (monk) had 68 TDs in 15 seasons Irvin had 62 in 11 (65 total) monk never had more than 8 tds in a season Irvin had1 season of 9 and one of 10 (without counting the others). Again all this in a run oriented team, we are not talking of the Rams, Colts, Vikings wich all put huge numbers on offense specially on the air.

Irvin passed the 1000 yard mark 7 times, monk only did it 5 times in my book that's why people are saying Irving theserves to get in first..... don't get me wrong I believe Monk is a HOF also and should had be in there long ago.

But when you analyse both carriers you see the diference (taking away off the field issues).

Schneed10 · 06-06-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

They both deserve to be in the HOF Monk stat wise accomplishments during his career now I've said this manny times yes the stats for Irvin 750 vs 940 vs monk theres a huge difference but the thing is Irvin did that in 11 seasons (I'm not counting his last season when he got injured in the 4th game never to return) and specially he raked the mayority of his stats in 8 years (662) he was a 5 time pro bowler and all this was done in a run oriented team in a power team that often lead the oposition before halftime and they just gave it to emmith tu run the hole second half that why the stats of Aikman aren't so high It just was a verry talented team as a hole.

During those 11 years Irving had an average of 67 catches per year (during his top 8 83 avrg).

Monk played 15 complete good season (taking away his last season also) was a 3 time pro bowler during those 15 season he average 62.4 catches per year) if we take his 8 best years that started in 1984 and lasted to 1991 he had during that time 605 catches an avrg of 76 catches per year.

He (monk) had 68 TDs in 15 seasons Irvin had 62 in 11 (65 total) monk never had more than 8 tds in a season Irvin 1 season of 9 and reached double digits once. Again all thsi in a run oriented team, we are not talking of the Rams, Colts, Vikings wich all put huge numbers on offense specially on the air.

Irvin passed the 1000 yard mark 7 times, monk only did it 5 times in my book that's why people are saying Irving theserves to get in first..... don't get me wrong I believe Monk is a HOF also and should had be in there long ago.

But when you analyse both carriers you see the diference (taking away off the field issues).

For the love of God, please use punctuation marks!!! If I have to read another run-on sentence like that I might shoot myself.

Regarding your point though, the Redskins and Cowboys were both run oriented teams during the times when Monk and Irvin were playing. It's not like the Redskins were running the run and shoot.

And Irvin did post his numbers over fewer seasons, which is impressive (expecially on a TD per Season basis). But you can't totally discount Monk's longevity as a non-factor. Monk has to get credit for playing 36% longer than Irvin did (15 seasons compared to 11).

A strong case can be made for both for the hall. I think they're both top 15 type WRs of all-time. I'd put both in the hall of fame. And if I were ranking them, I'd probably put Monk 12th and Irvin 13th or so. They're very close in my mind - ignoring all biases associated with the Skins/Boys rivalry.

dmek25 · 06-06-2006, 01:17 PM

dboyz, dont forget that irvin was the man when he played at dallas. can you even name another reciever other than harper that played along side with irvin? monk played with clark, sanders,and clint didier, who in his time was probably the best recieving tight end of his era( pardons to jay novacek)

gibbsisgod · 06-06-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

dboyz, dont forget that irvin was the man when he played at dallas. can you even name another reciever other than harper that played along side with irvin? monk played with clark, sanders,and clint didier, who in his time was probably the best recieving tight end of his era( pardons to jay novacek)

very good point! monk caught 900+ balls while he had some real good wr's opposite him that were taking away from his production. peter king says that monk wasnt even the best reciever on his team. how could that be?? did any other wr have 900 rec for the skins ??he also gives the argument that the giants never game planned for monk. that is because they couldnt. if they did we would just run it down their throat, which we did anyway on our way to 3 rings.

hey peter king, the last time i checked 3 rings is more that 2, you jealous f*ck.

D'BOYZ · 06-06-2006, 01:33 PM

yeah Dmek25 monk played with other greta players that took catches from him that's why the point that PK has is tha the wasn't "the man" in was as irvin was in Dallas....

Irvin demanded double coverage all the time and still got the job done, monk didn't (always) and the other's took some attention away from him.... again I believe that Monk should be in the HOF and a long time ago I'm just trying to post why PK has been so addament of not giving credit to Monk where credit is do.

dmek25 · 06-06-2006, 01:40 PM

and this is my point to king. playing along side other good recievers and still setting the record for most catches ever. monk was the nfl's very first "big' possesion receiver. i guess king is still pissed the giants havent had a good wr since frank gifford left

dmek25 · 06-06-2006, 01:42 PM

i have no problem with irvin getting in, as long as the writers dont have an issue with his off the field problems. irvin was exactly what he said he was, a playmaker that got the benefit of a very good ground game. but no way he goes before monk. that would be a flat out joke

Bozzy · 06-06-2006, 01:48 PM

Peter King is a fucking moron.

gibbsisgod · 06-06-2006, 01:52 PM

i propose a 'Peter King is a fucking moron' man-law

MonkFan4Life · 06-06-2006, 02:07 PM

MAN LAW !!!

FUCK PETER KING !!!!!!

not literally though !

ArtMonkDrillz · 06-06-2006, 02:22 PM

If, God forbid, Irvin does somehow manage to get into the HOF before Monk, who else is up for a very loud, very angry protest during the induction ceremony that year? We'll need as many Monk jerseys as possible, I've got mine all ready to go!

gibbsisgod · 06-06-2006, 02:24 PM

i would love to go and its about a 5 1/2 hour trip from my house, but i swore i would not visit the hall until monk gets in

amorentz · 06-06-2006, 02:48 PM

HOLY COW!!! There's hope!!!!

Look at the response from King in his mailbag!

"Ain't so. I'm a fan of no football team. You may be interested to know that I am going to rethink my position on Monk this year. I don't want to be so stuck in the mud on this issue that I close my mind to the possibility that I'm wrong and that Monk really does belong. So I'm going to sit down with Joe Gibbs when I see the Redskins this summer and try to soak in what the Monk side believes I am missing. A lot of people I respect tell me I'm dead wrong on Monk -- Len Shapiro, Mike Wilbon among them, plus quieter ones with close ties to the Hall. So I'll rethink my position and let you know what I come up with."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../mmqbte/1.html

amorentz · 06-06-2006, 02:51 PM

I would just like to note that I was so completely shocked by his response, that I used the lead "Holy Cow" in the above post. I would totally edit it out of extreme and utter embarassment, but who am I to disturb the integrity of Warpath posting history?

ArtMonkDrillz · 06-06-2006, 02:56 PM

I thought "holy cow" was referring to Peter King actualyl taking large bites out of a live cow. Obviously, I was mistaken.

06-06-2006, 12:50 PM	#1
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin They both deserve to be in the HOF Monk stat wise accomplishments during his career now I've said this manny times yes the stats for Irvin 750 vs 940 of monk theres a huge difference but the thing is Irvin did that in 11 seasons (I'm not counting his last season when he got injured in the 4th game never to return) and specially since he rack the mayority of his stats in 8 years (662) he was a 5 time pro bowler and all this was done in a run oriented team that often lead the oposition before halftime and they just gave it to emmitt to run the hole second half that's why the stats of Aikman aren't so high It just was a verry talented team as a hole. During those 11 years Irving had an average of 67 catches per year (during his top 8 83 avrg). Monk played 15 complete good season (taking away his last season also) was a 3 time pro bowler during those 15 season he average 62.4 catches per year) if we take his 8 best years that started in 1984 and lasted to 1991 he had during that time 605 catches an avrg of 76 catches per year. He (monk) had 68 TDs in 15 seasons Irvin had 62 in 11 (65 total) monk never had more than 8 tds in a season Irvin had1 season of 9 and one of 10 (without counting the others). Again all this in a run oriented team, we are not talking of the Rams, Colts, Vikings wich all put huge numbers on offense specially on the air. Irvin passed the 1000 yard mark 7 times, monk only did it 5 times in my book that's why people are saying Irving theserves to get in first..... don't get me wrong I believe Monk is a HOF also and should had be in there long ago. But when you analyse both carriers you see the diference (taking away off the field issues).

06-06-2006, 01:17 PM	#3
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin dboyz, dont forget that irvin was the man when he played at dallas. can you even name another reciever other than harper that played along side with irvin? monk played with clark, sanders,and clint didier, who in his time was probably the best recieving tight end of his era( pardons to jay novacek) __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-06-2006, 01:33 PM	#5
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin yeah Dmek25 monk played with other greta players that took catches from him that's why the point that PK has is tha the wasn't "the man" in was as irvin was in Dallas.... Irvin demanded double coverage all the time and still got the job done, monk didn't (always) and the other's took some attention away from him.... again I believe that Monk should be in the HOF and a long time ago I'm just trying to post why PK has been so addament of not giving credit to Monk where credit is do.

06-06-2006, 01:40 PM	#6
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin and this is my point to king. playing along side other good recievers and still setting the record for most catches ever. monk was the nfl's very first "big' possesion receiver. i guess king is still pissed the giants havent had a good wr since frank gifford left __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-06-2006, 01:42 PM	#7
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin i have no problem with irvin getting in, as long as the writers dont have an issue with his off the field problems. irvin was exactly what he said he was, a playmaker that got the benefit of a very good ground game. but no way he goes before monk. that would be a flat out joke __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-06-2006, 01:48 PM	#8
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 1,034	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin Peter King is a fucking moron.

06-06-2006, 01:52 PM	#9
gibbsisgod Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 129 W 81st street Age: 47 Posts: 3,503	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin i propose a 'Peter King is a fucking moron' man-law

06-06-2006, 02:07 PM	#10
MonkFan4Life The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 49 Posts: 1,851	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin MAN LAW !!! FUCK PETER KING !!!!!! not literally though ! __________________ Catch me on YouTube ! http://www.youtube.com/user/DowntimeRB?feature=mhw5 The "punishment" by the league : "It's like getting a ticket for going too fast on a road a week ago and they changed the speed limit today"

06-06-2006, 02:22 PM	#11
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 43 Posts: 8,029	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin If, God forbid, Irvin does somehow manage to get into the HOF before Monk, who else is up for a very loud, very angry protest during the induction ceremony that year? We'll need as many Monk jerseys as possible, I've got mine all ready to go! __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

06-06-2006, 02:24 PM	#12
gibbsisgod Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 129 W 81st street Age: 47 Posts: 3,503	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin i would love to go and its about a 5 1/2 hour trip from my house, but i swore i would not visit the hall until monk gets in

06-06-2006, 02:48 PM	#13
amorentz Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 46 Posts: 368	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin HOLY COW!!! There's hope!!!! Look at the response from King in his mailbag! "Ain't so. I'm a fan of no football team. You may be interested to know that I am going to rethink my position on Monk this year. I don't want to be so stuck in the mud on this issue that I close my mind to the possibility that I'm wrong and that Monk really does belong. So I'm going to sit down with Joe Gibbs when I see the Redskins this summer and try to soak in what the Monk side believes I am missing. A lot of people I respect tell me I'm dead wrong on Monk -- Len Shapiro, Mike Wilbon among them, plus quieter ones with close ties to the Hall. So I'll rethink my position and let you know what I come up with." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200.../mmqbte/1.html

06-06-2006, 02:51 PM	#14
amorentz Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 46 Posts: 368	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin I would just like to note that I was so completely shocked by his response, that I used the lead "Holy Cow" in the above post. I would totally edit it out of extreme and utter embarassment, but who am I to disturb the integrity of Warpath posting history?

06-06-2006, 02:56 PM	#15
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 43 Posts: 8,029	Re: Art Monk vs Michael Irvin I thought "holy cow" was referring to Peter King actualyl taking large bites out of a live cow. Obviously, I was mistaken. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

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