Joe Gibbs becoming like Mary Schottemhiemer

[bigmarley4]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Throwing a pass on third and one yard was dumb. Not going for it on fourth down was dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

Here is why I would have tried to run it twice in that situation. First of all, your defense had not stopped the Giants from driving all day, its a shootout. If your offensive line cannot produce one yard in two tries, you deserve to lose. You have one of the best backs in football, use him. What happened to the short yardage back (T. J. Duckett) that you gave away next year's third round pick for? Most coaches would have went for it in that situation.

Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.

[bigmarley4]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.

Sorry, made a mistake with the score, would have been 6-16, my bad...

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by bigmarley4

Agreed, I was driving in my car back from NC and I started cursing, what the hell are we doing, Portis can get ONE yard. Going for the FG was pointless too. Okay so if Hall makes it (definitely not a chip shot for him) we're down 6-17 with a full quarter to play. The Giants had just had an 8 minute drive that led to a touchdown, and were quite capable of putting together another 5+ minute drive and at least getting a FG, leaving us down at the MINIMUM two more scores with not a whole lot of time left in the game. The coahes made a terrible call, and we paid the price for it, simple as that.

Yeah, I don't see how anyone can say the decision to kick was the right one unless your kicker is Mark Mosely or Chip Lohmiller in 1991.

Converting the 4th and 1 could have been the spark we needed, but ... we'll never know that now.

[bigSkinsfan61]

i believe that if we had gone for it we wood have made it and the outcome wood have been different i love JG just a momentum thing it was swinging our was and that one dicision squelched it u know?

[chris36]

Thats exactly what I am saying!!!!! Be bold. Make a statement and try to win the game.

[yoadrienne71]

Lets be fair to Joe Gibbs, please. If nothing else, Joe brought Washington 3 trophies to Marty's nil. He deserves that much respect at the very least.

Without question, Joe Gibbs should be calling the plays for the Redskins offense. His play calling got the Redskins to the playoffs last year. For whatever reason, they're trying to fix what wasn't remotely broken. It worked, beat our division foes & defenses that were supposedly stronger than our offense.

The conservative nature of the play calling that has been somewhat of a staple this season is kind of alarming seeing's how the Skins have nothing but ugly opponents in the coming weeks. Al Saunders, while good for Kansas City, isn't showing me jack as far as the Skins are concerned. It's 700 pages of crap, honestly. Sure, last week's walk off touchdown to Santana was thrilling, but that is not Joe Gibbs football.

Joe Gibbs football is smashmouth, jam the ball down the lineman's throat football. At some point, we'll see Clinton leave cleat-marks on someone's back. Hope it's next week.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by yoadrienne71

Lets be fair to Joe Gibbs, please. If nothing else, Joe brought Washington 3 trophies to Marty's nil. He deserves that much respect at the very least.

Without question, Joe Gibbs should be calling the plays for the Redskins offense. His play calling got the Redskins to the playoffs last year. For whatever reason, they're trying to fix what wasn't remotely broken. It worked, beat our division foes & defenses that were supposedly stronger than our offense.

The conservative nature of the play calling that has been somewhat of a staple this season is kind of alarming seeing's how the Skins have nothing but ugly opponents in the coming weeks. Al Saunders, while good for Kansas City, isn't showing me jack as far as the Skins are concerned. It's 700 pages of crap, honestly. Sure, last week's walk off touchdown to Santana was thrilling, but that is not Joe Gibbs football.

Joe Gibbs football is smashmouth, jam the ball down the lineman's throat football. At some point, we'll see Clinton leave cleat-marks on someone's back. Hope it's next week.

A "walk off touchdown" ???

Oh God...

[That Guy]

being bold wouldn't have mattered. the team never got off the bus.

endless new posters showing up after a loss to post about how XXXX sucks - priceless .

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

being bold wouldn't have mattered. the team never got off the bus.

endless new posters showing up after a loss to post about how XXXX sucks - priceless .

priceless, worthless. Same difference I suppose

[gibbsisgod]

I cannot tell a lie

[dall-assblows]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

I cannot tell a lie

oh its no lie, believe me!

[celts32]

Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

Joe Gibbs has always been somewhat conservative. Those fake punts and 4th down gambles you speak of were few and far between.

Everyone wants to blame this person and that person for why they lose...plain and simple the redskins lost the line of scrimmage on Sunday on both sides of the ball.

Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Bingo - bammo. Post of the day, right there. And celts is exactly right -- Gibbs has never been a "oh the hell with it" gambler. Sure, he'll call for a flea-flicker or an option pass in the right situation, but do you ever wonder if he still believes he has Mark Moseley or Chip Lohmiller warming up on the sidelines ready to boot one easily down the middle for 50 yards?

Not only that, I believe it sometimes escapes him that the defense takes over at the spot of the kick, not the original line of scrimmage, on a missed field goal.

Whichever, it speaks volumes about his confidence in the offensive line.

This team with Brunell is starting to remind me of the '85 team with a fast fading Theismann. That team had virtually no downfield passing game until the play after LT ended Theismann's career. That first play was a 40 yard laser from Schroeder to Monk. Brunell may have enough left to steal an occasional win from a good team as he did last week, but he's inconsistent enough to have 100-yard passing games with alarming frequency.

[mike340]

I cringed on 3rd down and 1 when we passed, and cried out "what is he thinking" on 4th and 1 when they went for the FG. Down 16-3 the FG didn't make a difference...not because of the number of scores, but because the Giants hadn't had to punt once the whole game. I "knew" they would get some more points, and we wouldn't get a chance for many more drives. If we had our normal defense I would have been OK with it. In short,
Gibbs is a great coach, but we all make mistakes. This, I feel, was one of his.