The Portis move in hindsight

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Of course not. But you don't give up two starters for one. If your going to make that trade then we are the ones who should have gotten the better end of the deal. If not then Gibbs should have sat Bailey down and told him things are gonna change. Or they should have just paid the man and not traded him at all. Some of it was over money. They pay everyone else so why not Bailey? You already know he can ball. So you go out and pay AA and AC but not the best corner in the league? C'mon.

First of all, stop comparing now to 3 years ago. Second, he didn't wanna be here. He was tired of all of the coaching changes. I think he also saw what LaVar has said a lot, we just don't like to hear it. They also weren't in the business of paying their own guys and keeping them then. And, if you think Archuletta, Randle El, Carter, Lloyd, Portis, or anyone they gave big contracts to will see the end of them you're completely out of your mind. That's "the business side of football" that everyone thinks the Skins are so good at.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Montgomery is also a rookie, just like Golston. Boschetti is so-so overall, I agree. I like Evans, in the right situations I think he can do and does do pretty good.

The point is we do have young linemen that we can develop. I agree though that we need another stud in the middle, not quite a superstar but close to it.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are u kidding me? Golston has played OK. He's a rookie so he's a keeper. Evans has totally regressed. No pass rush pressure which is his strength. Montgomery and Boschetti? No thanks.

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

[davy]

Wasn't Boschetti cut and replaced on the roster by Suisham?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

First of all, stop comparing now to 3 years ago. Second, he didn't wanna be here. He was tired of all of the coaching changes. I think he also saw what LaVar has said a lot, we just don't like to hear it. They also weren't in the business of paying their own guys and keeping them then. And, if you think Archuletta, Randle El, Carter, Lloyd, Portis, or anyone they gave big contracts to will see the end of them you're completely out of your mind. That's "the business side of football" that everyone thinks the Skins are so good at.

There were a lot of more personal issues behind Champ's leaving that had little, if nothing, to do with how the organization was run. I know because I was dealing with the Redskins on a near daily basis back in those days.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by davy

Wasn't Boschetti cut and replaced on the roster by Suisham?

They cut Novak and brought Bosch back

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

There were a lot of more personal issues behind Champ's leaving that had little, if nothing, to do with how the organization was run. I know because I was dealing with the Redskins on a near daily basis back in those days.

I figured it was something like that, but I wasn't sure. I just know he didn't wanna come back and no amount of money was keeping him here.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

[davy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

They cut Novak and brought Bosch back

Shame on me, I must pay more attention.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

First of all, stop comparing now to 3 years ago. Second, he didn't wanna be here. He was tired of all of the coaching changes. I think he also saw what LaVar has said a lot, we just don't like to hear it. They also weren't in the business of paying their own guys and keeping them then. And, if you think Archuletta, Randle El, Carter, Lloyd, Portis, or anyone they gave big contracts to will see the end of them you're completely out of your mind. That's "the business side of football" that everyone thinks the Skins are so good at.

The problems of the past are why this team is not very good now.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

4.1 yards per carry for his career isn't exactly playing well. Niether are the 2 td's he's amassed this season...giving him 8 total for his career.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

NO. Everytime Betts has filled in for Portis he has played well. For the most part he always comes in and does well.

Except for the fumbles, missed blocks, and random injuries...

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Yet, you're basing your Betts argument on one exceptional game...

Stats time again. Prior to this season, how many games has Ladell had at least 20 carries in a contest? Exactly twice. Twice in a four year span, twice in 48 games.

Not coincidentally (IMO), anyway, in both games he got 20 or more carries, he went for a hunny and hit paydirt.

In '06, he's had three games with 20+ carries, and went for 100+ in 2 of them. He made up for the Philly game in which he only got 83, by dropping 124/1TD on Houston earlier in the year on 16 carries.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The problems of the past are why this team is not very good now.

It's hard to say why they're not very good right now. I mean, seriously, they went to the playoffs last season. Tell me what you would have done differently this offseason or come up with something that could have actually happened then. Keeping Champ was out of the question. We've shown you tons of reasons why Betts couldn't have been the #1. Come up with a real reason why the trade shouldn't have happened.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by dgack

Stats time again. Prior to this season, how many games has Ladell had at least 20 carries in a contest? Exactly twice. Twice in a four year span, twice in 48 games.

Not coincidentally (IMO), anyway, in both games he got 20 or more carries, he went for a hunny and hit paydirt.

In '06, he's had three games with 20+ carries, and went for 100+ in 2 of them. He made up for the Philly game in which he only got 83, by dropping 124/1TD on Houston earlier in the year on 16 carries.

While we're basing things on the Houston game...let's put Brunell back in!

Seriously though, he is usually hurt. He missed some of the preseason this year too. He's only once played in more than 12 games. He'll do it this year, but that's only twice in 5 years.