No progress in Derrick Dockery Negotiations....

[Bill B]

You know the funny thing - instead of the team giving Brandon Lllyod a $10 million bonus they could have redone Dockery's deal and earmarked it for him and not have to be in the current situation - I mean someone else could have given them the 30 catches Llyod made and probably even had a bonus TD or 2 which would have been better than Lloyd. Plus you would have had an extra 3rd and 4th round pick! I know - hindsight is 20-20.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bill B

You know the funny thing - instead of the team giving Brandon Lllyod a $10 million bonus they could have redone Dockery's deal and earmarked it for him and not have to be in the current situation - I mean someone else could have given them the 30 catches Llyod made and probably even had a bonus TD or 2 which would have been better than Lloyd. Plus you would have had an extra 3rd and 4th round pick! I know - hindsight is 20-20.

But I (and many others) were saying just this at the time of the Lloyd trade. That's not hindsight. That's just the front office giving up a lot to get a guy that, by all accounts, is an average player at best.

Lloyd never really disappointed me here...unfortunately he's just Brandon Lloyd.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bill B

You know the funny thing - instead of the team giving Brandon Lllyod a $10 million bonus they could have redone Dockery's deal and earmarked it for him and not have to be in the current situation - I mean someone else could have given them the 30 catches Llyod made and probably even had a bonus TD or 2 which would have been better than Lloyd. Plus you would have had an extra 3rd and 4th round pick! I know - hindsight is 20-20.

The thing is LLoyd never did anything to warrant the money he's getting. Yes he had some highlight catches but does he ever go over the middle? No.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Let's not have another Ryan Clark situation. What I mean is, let's not low ball a steady performer and risk not signing him and then have to overpay for a less-talented replacement. Git 'R Done.

[dmek25]

i want dockery back. if that means a large signing bonus, then so be it. but keep the salary manageable. the players now a days are all about the guaranteed money, anyways

[MTK]

I would give Dockery something in the neighborhood of 5 years, $20M, $7M SB.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Speaking of Clark, I've been talking with some people on AIM and wondering what the likelihood would be for him to come back.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Speaking of Clark, I've been talking with some people on AIM and wondering what the likelihood would be for him to come back.

Well, are there rumors of the Steelers cutting him? I think it would be a no-brainer to bring him back....if he's available.

[freddyg12]

I really wonder how much say Gibbs has when it comes to $$. I know he said those things about Smoot & Washington, but from all I've read, Gibbs doesn't get into negotiations, just personnel. For all we know there could've been a serious disconnect between he & Vinny/Danny in the signings of AA, Loyd & Carter. Gibbs may have said let's sign em, but not at those prices.
If this is an issue, it will certainly have to surface publicly at some point, even if a few years down the road.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think someone mentioned it on the radio maybe?

[Schneed10]

And yes, I think the team should be willing to overpay a little bit in this instance. They need to build up a little bit more good will in the locker room, because players are friggin pissed.

Plus, it just makes sense. Dockery represents continuity. Keep him here, and Samuels doesn't have to adjust to someone else. Continuity and familiarity are key on the offensive line.

Dockery is the 2nd best guard available in free agency. Eric Steinbach is widely regarded as the top guard. But to us, I think Dockery is more valuable than Steinbach, because there will be no learning curve with him. We should feel comfortable stretching our budget on Dockery up to whatever Steinbach is worth in the open market.

[dmek25]

does anyone know if there has been any movement on dockerys contract?

[Defensewins]

I'm not worried about Dockery getting signed. There will not be huge demand for him in the FA market. HE is not a huge talent. He is just big, strong and slow. There are a ton of guys like Dockery out there.
I think some of you guys are reading way too much into continuity. Talent overcomes any continuity issues.
Look at the Chargers, they have a rookie Marcus McNeill playing tackle and two years ago they drafted a Tackle Shane Olivea (7th round) and center (3rd round), they started their rookies year and took them to the playoffs.
For those of you that are going to say they have LT at RB, well we have Portis. He is a top 5 RB in the NFL.

[squrrelco3]

Right now the 'skins are $2.891m over the 2007 NFL cap number of $109m*. I would not expect too much movement until after Jun 1 when the first round of cuts are made barring some form of major restructuring by other players such as Brunell etc.

*source CPND cap info center

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by squrrelco3

Right now the 'skins are $2.891m over the 2007 NFL cap number of $109m*. I would not expect too much movement until after Jun 1 when the first round of cuts are made barring some form of major restructuring by other players such as Brunell etc.

*source CPND cap info center

Brunell did some restructuring to allow for Betts' re-signing, so I don't think he's got a lot of wiggle room left to move. There are a number of Redskins who will have their deals looked at, plus a number of players who won't be with the franchise come Cap Check time.