Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF

70Chip · 02-03-2007, 09:24 PM

My reaction to the anouncement on NFL Films earlier today:

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 02-03-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

My reaction to the anouncement on NFL Films earlier today:

Hilarious. Gotta love that movie.

carolinakat · 02-03-2007, 10:23 PM

This is a crock of shit, The NFL hall of Fame is getting more commercial then the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Art Monk should have been in a long time ago much like Kiss should have been in the RR HOF a long time ago. All just a bunch of BS.

The Huddle · 02-03-2007, 11:41 PM

Michael Irvin clearly belongs in the Hall of Fame. The crime that is being perpetrated by keeping Monk out has nothing to do with Irvin's admission. What has happened, in my opinion, is that the anti-Monk spin originally created by King and the coalition he built to keep Monk out has now taken root and is becoming more difficult to dislodge with each passing year.

There was a time when I thought Monk was a first-ballot no-brainer. Now, for the first time I am seriously worried that he may not make it in. This was an extremely weak class- if not this year, when?

Lady Brave · 02-04-2007, 02:31 AM

The hall is officially a joke. I would love to see thousands of Redskins fans show up at the ceremony wearing Monk jerseys. I also think Irvin should be booed heavily during his speech.

Beemnseven · 02-04-2007, 06:19 AM

Art will get in someday, but it will have to be when there aren't any other reputable receivers to compete with. He should be in.

That said, I think Irish has a point in that Monk wasn't the game-breaking playmaker that Michael Irvin was. That's not saying he was a better receiver than Monk, it's just that he was more visible. It's kind of like how offensive linemen are compared with running backs or wideouts. They're just as vital to the success of a team, but they are the unsung heroes. That was Art Monk. I knew from the very beginning that if it were Monk vs. Irvin for the hall, Irvin would win hands down. Not saying it's right -- it's just the way it is.

I actually believe Gary Clark was more of a dominant threat -- why isn't he ever mentioned for the hall?

GiantsSuck703 · 02-03-2007, 06:06 PM

I dont understand this, what did Michael Irvin do that Monk didnt, except for run his mouth and make himself look like an asshole time and time again. As an Italian white american, I really dont see how other white americans could vote for this guy, he basically said on national TV that we have no athleticism and the only way Tony Romo could be playing so good was because he had African American ancestors. Art Monk never brought racism or stupidity with him on or off the field, he was a character guy and one who deserves to be enshrined. The people who voted for Michael Irvin should be absolutely embarrassed with themselves. I dont care about the Hall of Fame anymore, If they fail to understand how good Art Monk was then they dont deserve to have him, he was and will always be one of the greatest Redskins of all time.

SUNRA · 02-03-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

I dont understand this, what did Michael Irvin do that Monk didnt, except for run his mouth and make himself look like an asshole time and time again. As an Italian white american, I really dont see how other white americans could vote for this guy, he basically said on national TV that we have no athleticism and the only way Tony Romo could be playing so good was because he had African American ancestors. Art Monk never brought racism or stupidity with him on or off the field, he was a character guy and one who deserves to be enshrined. The people who voted for Michael Irvin should be absolutely embarrassed with themselves. I dont care about the Hall of Fame anymore, If they fail to understand how good Art Monk was then they dont deserve to have him, he was and will always be one of the greatest Redskins of all time.

I'm an African-American, I saw Irvin's little interview on Real Sports and his "quest for redemption." The only reason Irvin got in is because he's one of them. Them meaning the media. They protect each other. Pat Summerrall suffered from alcoholism. Summerall went to ESPN and spoke to the management and told them to give Irvin a chance. ESPN did. Irvin has relapsed several times as an employee of ESPN. Irvin is an embarrassment to his family,community and people. When one does good such as Monk and is not recoginized for his accomplishments by the media at large, then we who understand his contribution should create our own award to give to him

redsk1 · 02-03-2007, 06:22 PM

I don't remember any memorable Steve Largent catches. He's in. Anyone?

12thMan · 02-03-2007, 06:30 PM

One of my greatest childhood memories was driving to the Hall from D.C. to Ohio with my childhood friend and his dad. I'll never forget it.

I think every year that Monk doesn't get in, it just further dimishes what the HOF is all about. To me, the HOF is becoming less relevant every year.

GTripp0012 · 02-03-2007, 06:32 PM

Mike Florio's Editorial on PFT on Monk v Irvin:

IRVIN OVER MONK SENDS A BAD MESSAGE

Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Redskins/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up and shout: "Why!?!"

Monk made it through 16 NFL seasons, and finished with 940 catches, 12,721 yards, and 68 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowl rings with three different quarterbacks (none of whom are or ever should be in the Hall of Fame) throwing the passes.

Irvin played 12 years, and caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowls with Hall of Famer Troy Aikman distributing the pill.

The only real difference between the two? Irvin was a loudmouth on the field, and a turd off of it. Monk was neither.

We know. We know. A player's off-the-field exploits are not to be considered, per Hall of Fame bylaws. Well, why hasn't it occurred to someone to change the damn bylaws?

What message does it send to kids out there when a receiver who acts responsibly and humbly on and off the field gets passed over by a guy with lesser career stats? And what happens if/when Irvin (who from time to time appears to be incoherent on the air) dishonors the assembly of busts (which per John Madden come to life at night and talk to each other) if/when Irvin gets arrested again?

We've been to Canton, and it's weird to see O.J. Simpson's bust among those of all of the non-murderers. In his case, though, no one had an inkling that he might someday treat his ex-wife and her friend like a couple of Thanksgiving turkeys. For guys like Irvin, will anyone be surprised if/when he does something that will tarnish the entire body of players who represent true excellence in the sport?

When a team drafts a guy with a history of misconduct and the player commits further misconduct after joining the team, the team that selected him rightly is criticized. We think that the organization and its selection committee fairly should face the same scrutiny if/when Irvin casts shame on the Hall of Fame.

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GiantsSuck703 · 02-03-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Mike Florio's Editorial on PFT on Monk v Irvin:

IRVIN OVER MONK SENDS A BAD MESSAGE

Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Redskins/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up and shout: "Why!?!"

Monk made it through 16 NFL seasons, and finished with 940 catches, 12,721 yards, and 68 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowl rings with three different quarterbacks (none of whom are or ever should be in the Hall of Fame) throwing the passes.

Irvin played 12 years, and caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowls with Hall of Famer Troy Aikman distributing the pill.

The only real difference between the two? Irvin was a loudmouth on the field, and a turd off of it. Monk was neither.

We know. We know. A player's off-the-field exploits are not to be considered, per Hall of Fame bylaws. Well, why hasn't it occurred to someone to change the damn bylaws?

What message does it send to kids out there when a receiver who acts responsibly and humbly on and off the field gets passed over by a guy with lesser career stats? And what happens if/when Irvin (who from time to time appears to be incoherent on the air) dishonors the assembly of busts (which per John Madden come to life at night and talk to each other) if/when Irvin gets arrested again?

We've been to Canton, and it's weird to see O.J. Simpson's bust among those of all of the non-murderers. In his case, though, no one had an inkling that he might someday treat his ex-wife and her friend like a couple of Thanksgiving turkeys. For guys like Irvin, will anyone be surprised if/when he does something that will tarnish the entire body of players who represent true excellence in the sport?

When a team drafts a guy with a history of misconduct and the player commits further misconduct after joining the team, the team that selected him rightly is criticized. We think that the organization and its selection committee fairly should face the same scrutiny if/when Irvin casts shame on the Hall of Fame.

ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet

PFT has been my favorite NFL site for awhile now, many people dont like it but I normally look at it everyday. They are pretty unbias and say the things that other places refuse too, what a great group of guys they have over there, kudos to Pro Football Talk for staying true to themselves.

12thMan · 02-03-2007, 06:33 PM

Character and class aside, Art Monk was a great reciever!

SUNRA · 02-03-2007, 06:35 PM

Just went to ESPN's website. The poll asks, Which player are you surprised was omitted? An overwhelmingly 39% of America said Art Monk. Now all of them are not Redskins fans. They are informative football fans. No good bastards at ESPN.

56FAN · 02-03-2007, 07:20 PM

we need to get rid of these writers who know less than most of us about football and put retired hall of fame coaches and players on a board to vote them in or not. who better to judge the worthiness or unworthiness of someone to enter the hall than one who is in there. what idiot put these know nothings never played game gum shoes in charge of who enters and who doesn't. they have proven again incapable of making wise choices. putting captian push off in before mr monk is beyond rediculous it's an insult.the hall will no longer matter to me as long as these people are allowd to make choices that they are not qualified to make.being a writer and or going to college doesn't impress me or make one more able to pick someone to enter the hall.the sheen is off the hall in my book.well, mr monk, you have been and always will a HALL OF FAMER to me and millions of others.

02-03-2007, 09:24 PM	#1
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF My reaction to the anouncement on NFL Films earlier today: __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

02-03-2007, 10:23 PM	#3
carolinakat Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boonville,NC Age: 53 Posts: 12	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF This is a crock of shit, The NFL hall of Fame is getting more commercial then the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Art Monk should have been in a long time ago much like Kiss should have been in the RR HOF a long time ago. All just a bunch of BS. __________________ The Diesel- John Riggins The greatest Hands Ever- Art Monk The Hogs- Enuff Said Dave Butz- Retired Helmet Alvin Walton- Can you Say Ouch? Darrell Green- Ageless, He could still play if he wanted

02-03-2007, 11:41 PM	#4
The Huddle Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Arrington, Va. Posts: 99	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF Michael Irvin clearly belongs in the Hall of Fame. The crime that is being perpetrated by keeping Monk out has nothing to do with Irvin's admission. What has happened, in my opinion, is that the anti-Monk spin originally created by King and the coalition he built to keep Monk out has now taken root and is becoming more difficult to dislodge with each passing year. There was a time when I thought Monk was a first-ballot no-brainer. Now, for the first time I am seriously worried that he may not make it in. This was an extremely weak class- if not this year, when?

02-04-2007, 02:31 AM	#5
Lady Brave The Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Trinity, NC Age: 54 Posts: 1,444	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF The hall is officially a joke. I would love to see thousands of Redskins fans show up at the ceremony wearing Monk jerseys. I also think Irvin should be booed heavily during his speech.

02-04-2007, 06:19 AM	#6
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF Art will get in someday, but it will have to be when there aren't any other reputable receivers to compete with. He should be in. That said, I think Irish has a point in that Monk wasn't the game-breaking playmaker that Michael Irvin was. That's not saying he was a better receiver than Monk, it's just that he was more visible. It's kind of like how offensive linemen are compared with running backs or wideouts. They're just as vital to the success of a team, but they are the unsung heroes. That was Art Monk. I knew from the very beginning that if it were Monk vs. Irvin for the hall, Irvin would win hands down. Not saying it's right -- it's just the way it is. I actually believe Gary Clark was more of a dominant threat -- why isn't he ever mentioned for the hall?

02-03-2007, 06:06 PM	#7
GiantsSuck703 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 293	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF I dont understand this, what did Michael Irvin do that Monk didnt, except for run his mouth and make himself look like an asshole time and time again. As an Italian white american, I really dont see how other white americans could vote for this guy, he basically said on national TV that we have no athleticism and the only way Tony Romo could be playing so good was because he had African American ancestors. Art Monk never brought racism or stupidity with him on or off the field, he was a character guy and one who deserves to be enshrined. The people who voted for Michael Irvin should be absolutely embarrassed with themselves. I dont care about the Hall of Fame anymore, If they fail to understand how good Art Monk was then they dont deserve to have him, he was and will always be one of the greatest Redskins of all time.

02-03-2007, 06:22 PM	#9
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF I don't remember any memorable Steve Largent catches. He's in. Anyone?

02-03-2007, 06:30 PM	#10
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF One of my greatest childhood memories was driving to the Hall from D.C. to Ohio with my childhood friend and his dad. I'll never forget it. I think every year that Monk doesn't get in, it just further dimishes what the HOF is all about. To me, the HOF is becoming less relevant every year.

02-03-2007, 06:32 PM	#11
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF Mike Florio's Editorial on PFT on Monk v Irvin: IRVIN OVER MONK SENDS A BAD MESSAGE Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Redskins/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up and shout: "Why!?!" Monk made it through 16 NFL seasons, and finished with 940 catches, 12,721 yards, and 68 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowl rings with three different quarterbacks (none of whom are or ever should be in the Hall of Fame) throwing the passes. Irvin played 12 years, and caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowls with Hall of Famer Troy Aikman distributing the pill. The only real difference between the two? Irvin was a loudmouth on the field, and a turd off of it. Monk was neither. We know. We know. A player's off-the-field exploits are not to be considered, per Hall of Fame bylaws. Well, why hasn't it occurred to someone to change the damn bylaws? What message does it send to kids out there when a receiver who acts responsibly and humbly on and off the field gets passed over by a guy with lesser career stats? And what happens if/when Irvin (who from time to time appears to be incoherent on the air) dishonors the assembly of busts (which per John Madden come to life at night and talk to each other) if/when Irvin gets arrested again? We've been to Canton, and it's weird to see O.J. Simpson's bust among those of all of the non-murderers. In his case, though, no one had an inkling that he might someday treat his ex-wife and her friend like a couple of Thanksgiving turkeys. For guys like Irvin, will anyone be surprised if/when he does something that will tarnish the entire body of players who represent true excellence in the sport? When a team drafts a guy with a history of misconduct and the player commits further misconduct after joining the team, the team that selected him rightly is criticized. We think that the organization and its selection committee fairly should face the same scrutiny if/when Irvin casts shame on the Hall of Fame. ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

02-03-2007, 06:33 PM	#13
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF Character and class aside, Art Monk was a great reciever!

02-03-2007, 06:35 PM	#14
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF Just went to ESPN's website. The poll asks, Which player are you surprised was omitted? An overwhelmingly 39% of America said Art Monk. Now all of them are not Redskins fans. They are informative football fans. No good bastards at ESPN. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

02-03-2007, 07:20 PM	#15
56FAN Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MANASSAS VA Age: 63 Posts: 323	Re: Art Monk Denied Admission to the HoF we need to get rid of these writers who know less than most of us about football and put retired hall of fame coaches and players on a board to vote them in or not. who better to judge the worthiness or unworthiness of someone to enter the hall than one who is in there. what idiot put these know nothings never played game gum shoes in charge of who enters and who doesn't. they have proven again incapable of making wise choices. putting captian push off in before mr monk is beyond rediculous it's an insult.the hall will no longer matter to me as long as these people are allowd to make choices that they are not qualified to make.being a writer and or going to college doesn't impress me or make one more able to pick someone to enter the hall.the sheen is off the hall in my book.well, mr monk, you have been and always will a HALL OF FAMER to me and millions of others.

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