Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

FRPLG · 02-28-2007, 04:19 PM

Campbell straight up has more athletic ability. He can run a little and much quicker feet that allow him to slide around the pocket much more fluidly as successfully. On top of that Campbell looks like he has confidence and the mental makeup to be an NFL QB. Ramsey could only rely on smarts(as in native intelligence) and passing skills to be successful. Campbell can rely on athleticism, confidence and a solid mental grasp on being a QB as well as passing skills and native intelligence. At least based on the admittedly few games he played last year. Who knows though, maybe he goes bonkers and can't do it either this year.

You have to be able to handle the game ,its speed and its situations mentally to be successful. Most players talk about how when they finally 'got it' it seemed like the game slowed down. I think that is simply that they finally are so in tune with their scheme and football in general and have the confidence that it becomes easy. Remember when driving a car made you nervous as hell and slowly it became easier and less nerve racking? It is the same thing. Ramsey never got comfortable I don't think and it forced him into bad decision making that he couldn't over come without any extraordinary athleticism.

MTK · 02-28-2007, 04:25 PM

Ramsey is a smart guy, I believe he was a double major at Tulane, but that doesn't mean he's a smart football player.

Defensewins · 02-28-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey is a smart guy, I believe he was a double major at Tulane, but that doesn't mean he's a smart football player.

The game seems to slowdown for the great players. In the citical moments of a game a great player looks in control and plays in rythm.
For Ramsey the game seems to speed up not slow down. Ramsey seems to choke at the critical moments. He couldn't sense or feel the pash rush around him and so he gave up alot of sacks or turnovers. Great guy with a great arm but lacks the rest. He just doesn't have it.

Master4Caster · 03-01-2007, 10:41 AM

I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that).

I'm of the "Spurrier ruined him" school. Spurrier emphasized long ball. I don't think Ramsey was well schooled on precise, pro-style ball-control passing. Nor could he trust his coach, who was all too ready to pull him for Danny Woeful.

It says something when Joe Gibbs studies the tape and signs a new quarterback as his first personnel move. It says even more when you don't show enough to make #2 on the depth chart for the Jets.

We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

JoeRedskin · 03-01-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Master4Caster

I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that).

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We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

Yup, that's exactly why I liked him too. I kept hoping he would catch on to the mental aspects of the game so that his courage would let him make some big plays.

EXoffender · 03-01-2007, 01:49 PM

You can't compare Ramsey's career to Brunell's in any category.

djnemo65 · 02-28-2007, 06:19 PM

SC, I seem to recall the argument was that Ramsey had comparable stats to Elway and Favre over the same period of time in their careers, and that he therefore should be given a similar time span to develop. While it's true that it appears he's nothing more than a career second stringer, its also true imo that he didnt exactly get a fair shot under Gibbs. Hard to fault Gibbs on this one since he seems to have been right, but I don't think this was a bad argument in retrospect.

SmootSmack · 02-28-2007, 10:35 PM

This thread title seems out of place amongst the talk and other posts about celebrating 5 Years of TheWarpath.net

This really isn't so much about the history of the Warpath so I'll change the title to make it more thread appropriate

mike340 · 03-01-2007, 04:40 AM

If Ramsey holds on to jobs outside of football as long as he holds onto the ball, he can look forward to exactly one job change in his life.

MTK · 03-01-2007, 07:21 AM

and all is right with the world again

SmootSmack · 03-01-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

and all is right with the world again

What's really amazing is that Gibbs' influence on the league is so powerful that apparently he somehow convinced the Jets not to give Ramsey a chance either. What team will Ramsey not get a chance to succeed with next?

MTK · 03-01-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's really amazing is that Gibbs' influence on the league is so powerful that apparently he somehow convinced the Jets not to give Ramsey a chance either. What team will Ramsey not get a chance to succeed with next?

LOL seriously, first Spurrier messed him up, now Gibbs.

I'm sure Gibbs will make sure he never gets a chance in this league.

FRPLG · 03-01-2007, 08:40 AM

I don't know which is more ridiculous. His contention that Ramsey has any value or that Betts is a better back than Portis. He must close his eyes when Portis runs the ball because it seems clear to me that Portis is a superior RB just by watching.

MTK · 03-01-2007, 10:23 AM

Enough excuses... he needs to WIN A JOB OUTRIGHT, PERIOD. And so far in his 5 year NFL career he hasn't been able to do that. Good QBs in this league will play, the so-so ones ride the pine. What is so hard to understand about that?

You have to earn your shots in this league, nobody is given anything.

Hog1 · 03-01-2007, 11:33 AM

As somebody said earlier, when do we stop making excuses for PR?
He's a nice kid with great potential. Always showed courage under fire in game situations. Strong arm. These are some of the things that endeared many of us to him initially.
Unfortunately, he rarely looked relaxed in the pocket. Looked and acted nervous in pressure situations and generally did not produce positively in those scenarios. Had tendency to make bad decisions, throw the ball to the wrong color, miss very makeable throws.
Nobody Jinxed him. Nobody killed his career.
HE IS THE MASTER OF HIS OWN DESTINY
In the NFL it is incumbent on the player to impress his coach's, that he has what it takes to be the star. To date in, PR's relatively short career he has failed to do so with at least two head coach's. If PR is so fragile that his confidence can be PERMANENTLY scarred by a..........set back, by GIbbs, maybe he does not have IT.
If he has to have a "specially built" offensive cocoon around him to succeed, maybe he does not have IT.
At his position, the NFL needs unbreakable, tough guy's.
Maybe.........................he does not have........IT

02-28-2007, 04:19 PM	#1
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: Warpath History... Campbell straight up has more athletic ability. He can run a little and much quicker feet that allow him to slide around the pocket much more fluidly as successfully. On top of that Campbell looks like he has confidence and the mental makeup to be an NFL QB. Ramsey could only rely on smarts(as in native intelligence) and passing skills to be successful. Campbell can rely on athleticism, confidence and a solid mental grasp on being a QB as well as passing skills and native intelligence. At least based on the admittedly few games he played last year. Who knows though, maybe he goes bonkers and can't do it either this year. You have to be able to handle the game ,its speed and its situations mentally to be successful. Most players talk about how when they finally 'got it' it seemed like the game slowed down. I think that is simply that they finally are so in tune with their scheme and football in general and have the confidence that it becomes easy. Remember when driving a car made you nervous as hell and slowly it became easier and less nerve racking? It is the same thing. Ramsey never got comfortable I don't think and it forced him into bad decision making that he couldn't over come without any extraordinary athleticism.

03-01-2007, 10:41 AM	#4
Master4Caster Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DC area Posts: 374	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up. It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that). I'm of the "Spurrier ruined him" school. Spurrier emphasized long ball. I don't think Ramsey was well schooled on precise, pro-style ball-control passing. Nor could he trust his coach, who was all too ready to pull him for Danny Woeful. It says something when Joe Gibbs studies the tape and signs a new quarterback as his first personnel move. It says even more when you don't show enough to make #2 on the depth chart for the Jets. We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere. __________________ Master4Caster http://runningredskins.blogspot.com http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins

03-01-2007, 01:49 PM	#6
EXoffender The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 1,046	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr You can't compare Ramsey's career to Brunell's in any category.

02-28-2007, 06:19 PM	#7
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Warpath History... SC, I seem to recall the argument was that Ramsey had comparable stats to Elway and Favre over the same period of time in their careers, and that he therefore should be given a similar time span to develop. While it's true that it appears he's nothing more than a career second stringer, its also true imo that he didnt exactly get a fair shot under Gibbs. Hard to fault Gibbs on this one since he seems to have been right, but I don't think this was a bad argument in retrospect.

02-28-2007, 10:35 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Warpath History... This thread title seems out of place amongst the talk and other posts about celebrating 5 Years of TheWarpath.net This really isn't so much about the history of the Warpath so I'll change the title to make it more thread appropriate __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

02-28-2007, 04:25 PM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Warpath History... Ramsey is a smart guy, I believe he was a double major at Tulane, but that doesn't mean he's a smart football player. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-01-2007, 04:40 AM	#9
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 69 Posts: 322	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr If Ramsey holds on to jobs outside of football as long as he holds onto the ball, he can look forward to exactly one job change in his life.

03-01-2007, 07:21 AM	#10
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr and all is right with the world again __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-01-2007, 08:40 AM	#13
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr I don't know which is more ridiculous. His contention that Ramsey has any value or that Betts is a better back than Portis. He must close his eyes when Portis runs the ball because it seems clear to me that Portis is a superior RB just by watching.

03-01-2007, 10:23 AM	#14
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr Enough excuses... he needs to WIN A JOB OUTRIGHT, PERIOD. And so far in his 5 year NFL career he hasn't been able to do that. Good QBs in this league will play, the so-so ones ride the pine. What is so hard to understand about that? You have to earn your shots in this league, nobody is given anything. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-01-2007, 11:33 AM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Thr As somebody said earlier, when do we stop making excuses for PR? He's a nice kid with great potential. Always showed courage under fire in game situations. Strong arm. These are some of the things that endeared many of us to him initially. Unfortunately, he rarely looked relaxed in the pocket. Looked and acted nervous in pressure situations and generally did not produce positively in those scenarios. Had tendency to make bad decisions, throw the ball to the wrong color, miss very makeable throws. Nobody Jinxed him. Nobody killed his career. HE IS THE MASTER OF HIS OWN DESTINY In the NFL it is incumbent on the player to impress his coach's, that he has what it takes to be the star. To date in, PR's relatively short career he has failed to do so with at least two head coach's. If PR is so fragile that his confidence can be PERMANENTLY scarred by a..........set back, by GIbbs, maybe he does not have IT. If he has to have a "specially built" offensive cocoon around him to succeed, maybe he does not have IT. At his position, the NFL needs unbreakable, tough guy's. Maybe.........................he does not have........IT __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

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