Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-02-2007, 07:02 PM

never said pay him that much but a good team signs there players with a year of so left on their contract and keep their young talent like the eagles do. This should have been taken care off before he had a chance to hit FA>

MTK · 03-02-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

never said pay him that much but a good team signs there players with a year of so left on their contract and keep their young talent like the eagles do. This should have been taken care off before he had a chance to hit FA>

I'm not sure why you make it seem like this is all on the front office.

It sure sounds like Dockery didn't want to be "take care of" prior to free agency, and with that insane deal the Bills gave him who can blame him?

There was no way we were going to give him that kinda deal, he chased the money and it worked in his favor.

I don't however hold this against the front office. If anything we should commend them for showing some restraint.

Longtimefan · 03-02-2007, 08:14 PM

If you think Dockery's deal is inflated, check what the 49ers gave up for the services of Nate Clements, This is the age of free-agency, and everyone has to over pay.

skinsfan_nn · 03-02-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If you think Dockery's deal is inflated, check what the 49ers gave up for the services of Nate Clements, This is the age of free-agency, and everyone has to over pay.

Yea the BILLS ARE DUMB.

The NINERS ARE DUMBER!

We need a solid D line FIRST, THAT HAS TO BE PRIORITY ONE, we can get by just fine without Dock.

Glad to see the guys up front set a limit and stuck to it. We HAVE to stop OVERPAYING. You can't reasonably sign a dock for any more jack than you have spent in guys like Rabash, Jansen and the rest of the OL PERIOD

VTSkins · 03-02-2007, 09:36 PM

Much as I liked Dock, there is no way I would have signed him for that amount or even half that amount. I would have offered around 12m max.

70Chip · 03-02-2007, 10:16 PM

There never going to get their money's worth. He'll never have to work hard again. The only time he worked hard here was last season because he knew his contract was up. Even if he plays like last year which was his best season, he's not worth that.

If that's what Dockery is worth, we'll be lucky to add any quality in FA. I mean, My God! 23 million guaranteed!

sportscurmudgeon · 03-02-2007, 11:19 PM

Several comments:

If the Skins sign Leonard Davis to replace Dockery, then one of the current OL will need to move inside to OG or Davis will have to move inside to OG. IF that happens to be Davis - which is a rumor that a friend of mine sent to me today - then Clinton Portis better get used to an OG who cannot pull out and block. Dockery was not swift as a deer; Davis would lose a 100-yard dash to the Venus de Milo...

The argument that the Skins should not sign Dockery to this kind of contract because that would get Cooley and Taylor thinking in terms of those numbers is off base. Those guys will still think that way because that is the price tag for free agent starting players that is being set around the league.

Is Dockery worth that kind of money? No. But if the Skins don't find a replacement at OG for a reasonable price and have to go with one of the scrubs on the roster now, they are taking a HUGE risk. Remember how badly the middle of the line protected the QB when we had a center who could not block a guy on a bicycle? HOw about when Cory Raymer was sent in to pretend to be an OG? Asserting that any of the guys on the roster now are ready to step in and play 16 games at a high level of proficiency is really stretching things.

The Skins did the right thing here in the long run because signing Dockery to a contract this big would also make any contract restructurings with other offensive linemen difficult in the upcoming couple of years.

Imagine that you are Chris Samuel playing next to Dockery and he's got a deal that's worth 50% more than yours. You look around and realize that you're the better player. Now the Skins come to you and ask you to restructure. What's your response to their request? Suppose you're Randy Thomas and you are the better starting OG ...

I will be really upset if the Skins go out and pay something like 90% of this contract to some other guy just because they panicked when Dockery left and they could not sign Davis or Steinbach or Diehlman. Having the good sense not to overpay for Dockery is a good thing; turning around and overpaying for someone to replace him would be unmitigated stupidity unless the replacement is of superior quality.

CrazyCanuck · 03-02-2007, 08:49 PM

From Pasta:

ABC30.com: Bills reach an agreement with Redskins' OG Dockery

"Buffalo on Friday night reached an agreement with four-year veteran Derrick Dockery, who had played his entire career with the Washington Redskins, on a seven-year, $49 million contract, ESPN.com learned.

The total contract equals the deal that "transition" free agent Steve Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings last year, a league record for a guard. The contract includes $18.5 million in guarantees and will pay Dockery $23 million in the first three seasons."

Jeez. $18.5M guaranteed and the same money as Hutchinson? Too much for my blood.

If the Skins signed him for the same amount, I bet 95% of the Warpathers would be cursing.

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-02-2007, 07:02 PM

If we signed Dock for that money we'd pretty much also have to take the field with the exact same defense that we have right now. I wouldn't feel very comfortable with that.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-02-2007, 07:04 PM

sorry i have my kids hanging on me lol kinda distracted.

SmootSmack · 03-02-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

sorry i have my kids hanging on me lol kinda distracted.

Ahh. Ok

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-02-2007, 07:07 PM

i'm very sorry i will try to do better.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 03-02-2007, 07:10 PM

By the way my kids dont hate Brunell they just get scared when he throws the ball. lol

ncskinsfanec · 03-02-2007, 07:17 PM

Thanks for the memories Dock! Glad you got your pay day! As long as Buges is still coaching the O-Line I doubt this will be that big of a loss!

RedskinPete · 03-02-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

Thanks for the memories Dock! Glad you got your pay day! As long as Buges is still coaching the O-Line I doubt this will be that big of a loss!

Not to be a ass hole but what memories do you have about Dock? He has not been this great player! He can be replaced with someone as good. He not S.Moss or Taylor! We will move on!

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03-02-2007, 07:02 PM	#1
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 59 Posts: 890	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills never said pay him that much but a good team signs there players with a year of so left on their contract and keep their young talent like the eagles do. This should have been taken care off before he had a chance to hit FA>

03-02-2007, 08:14 PM	#3
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills If you think Dockery's deal is inflated, check what the 49ers gave up for the services of Nate Clements, This is the age of free-agency, and everyone has to over pay. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

03-02-2007, 09:36 PM	#5
VTSkins Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 32	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills Much as I liked Dock, there is no way I would have signed him for that amount or even half that amount. I would have offered around 12m max.

03-02-2007, 10:16 PM	#6
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills There never going to get their money's worth. He'll never have to work hard again. The only time he worked hard here was last season because he knew his contract was up. Even if he plays like last year which was his best season, he's not worth that. If that's what Dockery is worth, we'll be lucky to add any quality in FA. I mean, My God! 23 million guaranteed! __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

03-02-2007, 11:19 PM	#7
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills Several comments: If the Skins sign Leonard Davis to replace Dockery, then one of the current OL will need to move inside to OG or Davis will have to move inside to OG. IF that happens to be Davis - which is a rumor that a friend of mine sent to me today - then Clinton Portis better get used to an OG who cannot pull out and block. Dockery was not swift as a deer; Davis would lose a 100-yard dash to the Venus de Milo... The argument that the Skins should not sign Dockery to this kind of contract because that would get Cooley and Taylor thinking in terms of those numbers is off base. Those guys will still think that way because that is the price tag for free agent starting players that is being set around the league. Is Dockery worth that kind of money? No. But if the Skins don't find a replacement at OG for a reasonable price and have to go with one of the scrubs on the roster now, they are taking a HUGE risk. Remember how badly the middle of the line protected the QB when we had a center who could not block a guy on a bicycle? HOw about when Cory Raymer was sent in to pretend to be an OG? Asserting that any of the guys on the roster now are ready to step in and play 16 games at a high level of proficiency is really stretching things. The Skins did the right thing here in the long run because signing Dockery to a contract this big would also make any contract restructurings with other offensive linemen difficult in the upcoming couple of years. Imagine that you are Chris Samuel playing next to Dockery and he's got a deal that's worth 50% more than yours. You look around and realize that you're the better player. Now the Skins come to you and ask you to restructure. What's your response to their request? Suppose you're Randy Thomas and you are the better starting OG ... I will be really upset if the Skins go out and pay something like 90% of this contract to some other guy just because they panicked when Dockery left and they could not sign Davis or Steinbach or Diehlman. Having the good sense not to overpay for Dockery is a good thing; turning around and overpaying for someone to replace him would be unmitigated stupidity unless the replacement is of superior quality. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-02-2007, 08:49 PM	#8
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills From Pasta: ABC30.com: Bills reach an agreement with Redskins' OG Dockery "Buffalo on Friday night reached an agreement with four-year veteran Derrick Dockery, who had played his entire career with the Washington Redskins, on a seven-year, $49 million contract, ESPN.com learned. The total contract equals the deal that "transition" free agent Steve Hutchinson signed with the Minnesota Vikings last year, a league record for a guard. The contract includes $18.5 million in guarantees and will pay Dockery $23 million in the first three seasons." Jeez. $18.5M guaranteed and the same money as Hutchinson? Too much for my blood. If the Skins signed him for the same amount, I bet 95% of the Warpathers would be cursing.

03-02-2007, 07:02 PM	#9
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 43 Posts: 8,029	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills If we signed Dock for that money we'd pretty much also have to take the field with the exact same defense that we have right now. I wouldn't feel very comfortable with that. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

03-02-2007, 07:04 PM	#10
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 59 Posts: 890	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills sorry i have my kids hanging on me lol kinda distracted.

03-02-2007, 07:07 PM	#12
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 59 Posts: 890	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills i'm very sorry i will try to do better.

03-02-2007, 07:10 PM	#13
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 59 Posts: 890	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills By the way my kids dont hate Brunell they just get scared when he throws the ball. lol

03-02-2007, 07:17 PM	#14
ncskinsfanec Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 432	Re: Derrick Dockery signs with the Bills Thanks for the memories Dock! Glad you got your pay day! As long as Buges is still coaching the O-Line I doubt this will be that big of a loss!

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