My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but I'm wondering if the Skins could be concerned about losing Taylor to free agency when his contract is up so that's why Landry is on their radar.

I really wouldn't hate this pick, but it still would leave the d-line a big question mark.

I'm really hoping that we're planning for the future by this point. We made all that space recently and if we keep value shopping like we have this year, I think we can make it to where we can sign both Cooley AND Taylor when the time comes.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm really hoping that we're planning for the future by this point. We made all that space recently and if we keep value shopping like we have this year, I think we can make it to where we can sign both Cooley AND Taylor when the time comes.

I agree but part of planning for the future also includes being realistic about who we may be able to re-sign and who we may not be able to re-sign.

Let's face it, ST is going to be looking for big money, especially considering the rather paltry rookie deal he signed.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree but part of planning for the future also includes being realistic about who we may be able to re-sign and who we may not be able to re-sign.

Let's face it, ST is going to be looking for big money, especially considering the rather paltry rookie deal he signed.

and i say give him the big money i have no problem signing him to a 6 year 35-40 million dollar deal if we gave it to arch why not taylor and colley 6 year 25-30 milliion would be great hey daniel graham got it and so did brandon lloyd

[GoSkins!]

If we pick Landry it will immediately free Taylor up to play up in the box (like having an extra LB). That will give teams trouble scheming for the defense. That is exactly the kind of thing that Greg Williams loves. We addressed and drafted DL last year. I don't doubt that Williams wants Landry.

We will know in about a week.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I do not like the idea of the Skins drafting for need. So many people are calling for drafting a d-lineman because the team will implode if we don't get one this year, it concerns me that the Skins will reach for someone not desrving of the 6 th pick. IF we keep # 6 pick we need to draft an elite player like Landry.
Not a single defensive lineman in this draft seems to be an elite player. There are a couple that come close but none of them are in the "can't miss" status like Landry.

The team imploded last year due in large part to the fact that we had major weaknesses on the D-line.

Still, I have to say that the more I hear and see about Landry the less upset I'd be if we wind up taking him. But like Matty said, we'd still have to get help on the front four somewhere -- maybe Kris Jenkins or Ian Scott.

I do like the idea of guys like Terrell Owens, Jason Witten, and Plaxico Burress watching out for their heads going over the middle against a lineup like Taylor and Landry. Assuming Landry is everything people say about him, we would have one of the most feared secondaries in the league at that point.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

The team imploded last year due in large part to the fact that we had major weaknesses on the D-line.

Still, I have to say that the more I hear and see about Landry the less upset I'd be if we wind up taking him. But like Matty said, we'd still have to get help on the front four somewhere -- maybe Kris Jenkins or Ian Scott.

I do like the idea of guys like Terrell Owens, Jason Witten, and Plaxico Burress watching out for their heads going over the middle against a lineup like Taylor and Landry. Assuming Landry is everything people say about him, we would have one of the most feared secondaries in the league at that point.

Again, while I do feel we should address the defensive line, I was just wondering why you think we were effective in 2004 and 2005 with basically the same front four? If you think about it, really the only switch has been at LB. There has been the loss of Pierce, the shift of Marshall and each time the defense has gone down each year with basically the same personnel along the defensive line.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Again, while I do feel we should address the defensive line, I was just wondering why you think we were effective in 2004 and 2005 with basically the same front four? If you think about it, really the only switch has been at LB. There has been the loss of Pierce, the shift of Marshall and each time the defense has gone down each year with basically the same personnel along the defensive line.

I think the changes in the front seven from 2005 to 2006 IS what hurt us last year. While our pass rush from the front four was not good in 2005, we had a good run stopping line with Griiffen/Salavea at DT and Daniels/Wynn at DE. I still am not convinced that A. Carter is an everydown DE. He is a very small 265 pounds. The one game I attended, @ Texans, I was on the sidelines and Carter was getting pushed off the ball on a consistent basis. He could not hold his ground.
I do not care how many sacks he brings if he gives up ten yard runs several times a game. Our D-linemen have to stop the run first. If they can't they should not be on the field. I do not care how much we overpaid him, if he can't stop the run, get him out.
As much as I hate to admit it, I think we also missed Lavar Arrington or at least a Lavar type LB that could bring the hammer down and be very physical. Oher than LB Washington, we did not have another diffrence maker at LB last year.
Injuries to our other defensive players also played a big role in our bad year in 2006. If everyone is healthy, our talent at d-Line is not terrible to the point of crisis situation. there is a big investment in picking at # 6, lets not reach for need. I am not sure that another one dimensional pass rush end is the answer to all of our problems.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Again, while I do feel we should address the defensive line, I was just wondering why you think we were effective in 2004 and 2005 with basically the same front four? If you think about it, really the only switch has been at LB. There has been the loss of Pierce, the shift of Marshall and each time the defense has gone down each year with basically the same personnel along the defensive line.

Very simply, age and injuries caught up with them. When players are nearing the twilight of their careers, they can get old seemingly overnight.

In 2004 and 2005, guys like Griffin, Brandon Noble, and Philip Daniels were experienced veterans who were brought in for the “win now” philosophy. People forget that Joe Salave’a expected to be a back-up. They couldn’t have been looked upon to anchor the line for years to come. All along, the team should have planned for an infusion of youth – – but as we all know, this front office is exactly known for thinking for the future especially on defense.

Last year, father time caught up with them. Now, it looks like we may actually have to ask them to step up for another year to plug up the run.

But just to show that my mind isn’t completely closed, I think a good case has been made for drafting Landry. But they would still have to bring in someone to help out the front four.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Very simply, age and injuries caught up with them. When players are nearing the twilight of their careers, they can get old seemingly overnight.

In 2004 and 2005, guys like Griffin, Brandon Noble, and Philip Daniels were experienced veterans who were brought in for the “win now” philosophy. People forget that Joe Salave’a expected to be a back-up. They couldn’t have been looked upon to anchor the line for years to come. All along, the team should have planned for an infusion of youth – – but as we all know, this front office is exactly known for thinking for the future especially on defense.

Last year, father time caught up with them. Now, it looks like we may actually have to ask them to step up for another year to plug up the run.

But just to show that my mind isn’t completely closed, I think a good case has been made for drafting Landry. But they would still have to bring in someone to help out the front four.

While I definitely see your point that they're another year older and another year slower, reason just refuses to let me believe their play would decline THAT part in just one season. Unless there is a significant injury, I just feel like it's more of a gradual decline and not a total drop off. Again, let me reiterate by saying that Okoye is still my top choice. I just think with our middle held down by Fletcher this year, our run defense (even if we're stuck with the same guys in the middle) will be much improved.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

While I definitely see your point that they're another year older and another year slower, reason just refuses to let me believe their play would decline THAT part in just one season. Unless there is a significant injury, I just feel like it's more of a gradual decline and not a total drop off. Again, let me reiterate by saying that Okoye is still my top choice. I just think with our middle held down by Fletcher this year, our run defense (even if we're stuck with the same guys in the middle) will be much improved.

Well, I can only tell you what Charles Mann said on a Redskin postgame show last year. He said he got old in as short a time span as the flight from Washington to San Fransisco when he left to play for the 49ers in 1994. He said it can happen that quick.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Very simply, age and injuries caught up with them. When players are nearing the twilight of their careers, they can get old seemingly overnight.

In 2004 and 2005, guys like Griffin, Brandon Noble, and Philip Daniels were experienced veterans who were brought in for the “win now” philosophy. People forget that Joe Salave’a expected to be a back-up. They couldn’t have been looked upon to anchor the line for years to come. All along, the team should have planned for an infusion of youth – – but as we all know, this front office is exactly known for thinking for the future especially on defense.

Last year, father time caught up with them. Now, it looks like we may actually have to ask them to step up for another year to plug up the run.

But just to show that my mind isn’t completely closed, I think a good case has been made for drafting Landry. But they would still have to bring in someone to help out the front four.

this i how i feel right now the redskins will take landry with pick number 6 the guy is a monster ran a 4.35 can hit hard as hell great coverage he is a ballhawk perfect compliment to taylor and then witgh the fifth round pick ifeel they will take CJ Ah Oyu from oklahoma at de if anyone watched this guy in colege he could really be a sleeper pick

could someone please post up his scouting report and maybe dan bauzin from central michigan he can play both inside and outside he could be the next mark anderson who the bears got in the 5th round and produced 12 sacks we missed out on him and drafted anthony montgomery what the hell was that

[skins009]

Having a good front seven is more beneficial than having a good back seven. This is evident by examining the best defense's from last year.

1.Baltimore 2.Jacksonville 3.Oakland 4.Miami 5.Chicago 6.New England
Baltimore has talent at every postion
We all know everything on the Jaguars defense stats with the two big DT up front
Oakland, miami, chicago and New england all have BAD secondaries if you ask me. However, they are able to disguise this with excellent dlines. For the love of god pick Omobi!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skins009

Having a good front seven is more beneficial than having a good back seven. This is evident by examining the best defense's from last year.

1.Baltimore 2.Jacksonville 3.Oakland 4.Miami 5.Chicago 6.New England
Baltimore has talent at every postion
We all know everything on the Jaguars defense stats with the two big DT up front
Oakland, miami, chicago and New england all have BAD secondaries if you ask me. However, they are able to disguise this with excellent dlines. For the love of god pick Omobi!

Oakland's secondary was really really good. Tops in the league maybe.

But they wouldn't have made it to the top ten without Burgess and Sapp playing great football on that DL.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Oakland's secondary was really really good. Tops in the league maybe.

But they wouldn't have made it to the top ten without Burgess and Sapp playing great football on that DL.

true but i still like landry prob cause i m such a huge lsu fan

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

true but i still like landry prob cause i m such a huge lsu fan

Well, for your sake, I'm going to agree with you that he's a great safety prospect. Best in a few years.

But you can get a lot of quality safeties later in the draft. The bust rate among day 1 safeties is very low. And when you have Sean Taylor on the other side, the difference between Landry in his prime...and Eric Weddle in his prime (for example) probably isn't going to change your teams record any.

But the difference between Amobi Okoye in his prime and a player of Saleve'a current caliber could be the difference in 2-3 wins in the standings per season.

Landry will be a good to great player at the next level, but if your team already has an investment in the safety position (Sean Taylor), the smart play would be to look elsewhere.