SGG's What's Your Issue Poll

[Schneed10]

People love to ask the question "what gives the government the right to tell women what to do with their body?"

What about the other question? What gives the woman the right to deny that person an opportunity at life; an opportunity to grow up happy, healthy, and free?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah but the main reason the right is so appalled by abortion is because it's giving people the freedom to choose to deny someone a life.

It's a little different than freedom of speech, freedom to practice religion, etc.

It's not the fact that abortion is a freedom that bothers the right, it's the fact that they feel it's killing someone. And I tend to agree. Wouldn't it be some bullshit if your mom decided she would rather just not have you, and you were never here?

The right also defines a fertilized egg as a child (the moment of conception). The real issue here is that the right is interjecting their religious beliefs to limit my freedom.

As for my mother not aborting me, well, she had a miscarriage prior to having. I could have easily been that embryo but I wasn't. What matters is that I am here, and those that aren't here aren't. I mean, who left the right in change of making sure every embryo makes it through 9 months of gestation?

p.s. I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to abortion. Liberty and freedom, however, come before my own personal views on the issue.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

People love to ask the question "what gives the government the right to tell women what to do with their body?"

What about the other question? What gives the woman the right to deny that person an opportunity at life; an opportunity to grow up happy, healthy, and free?

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by saden1

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

haha, ok but I thought that post was hilarious.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hooskins

haha, ok but I thought that post was hilarious.

May I rephrase? "White babies are in high demand." I like Saden, but I would never call him baby.

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

well i think on the war in iraqu we need to stop worrying about the poor people on there streets when we got people on the streets of America poor. i think we should take care of ours first. and then worry about the poor people in iraqu

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Newjerseyredskinfan14

well i think on the war in iraqu we need to stop worrying about the poor people on there streets when we go people on the streets of America poor. i think we should take care of ours first. and then worry about the poor people in iraqu

Huh? I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not quite sure.

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

i think all of are guna take a long ass time to fix

[Newjerseyredskinfan14]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Huh? I think I understand what you are saying, but I'm not quite sure.

well dont you think we are more inportant as citizens then them.. ya know us before them

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Global warming could help here. The problem kind of solves itself if you think about it. Humans cause warming, warming kills humans. It's the circle of life da, da, da, da, da, da.

Congratulations Chip. You can change your sig now

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'm looking into adopting a child and I'm open to adopting a kid of any race, but baby white kids are in pretty high demand.

This is something that has been discussed in the past.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

Just look around and see if you can find happy children in the foster care system. The world is brutal man.

I was waiting for a response like this...

You're probably right in saying that if kids enter the foster system they're going to have unhappy childhoods, that's just how the odds break down. But not all kids grow up unhappy in those situations, there are success stories. So you're basically going to rob all of those kids of the chance of having a happy life?

Sounds like you're robbing them of the pursuit of happiness to me.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by saden1

The right also defines a fertilized egg as a child (the moment of conception). The real issue here is that the right is interjecting their religious beliefs to limit my freedom.

As for my mother not aborting me, well, she had a miscarriage prior to having. I could have easily been that embryo but I wasn't. What matters is that I am here, and those that aren't here aren't. I mean, who left the right in change of making sure every embryo makes it through 9 months of gestation?

p.s. I'm actually pretty conservative when it comes to abortion. Liberty and freedom, however, come before my own personal views on the issue.

First, there certainly is a religious aspect, no doubt. And the right hides behind the Bible all the time, but it's more than that. It's moral, not just religious.

All humans began as fertilized eggs. The moral outrage does not stem from the fact that you're killing something (however you define that something, some would define that something as a fertilized egg as a child, others wouldn't). The moral outrage stems from the fact that you're never even giving this living thing a chance to know love, happiness, compassion, and freedom. Abortion robs "fertilized eggs" of the chance to know life. This living organism inside the womb would be born, and in all likelihood would grow up happy, were it not for abortion. Just think of what that person could become... a firefighter, a nurse, a teacher, the next President of the USA, a Redskins fan...

How can robbing them of that opportunity sit well with you? Religion enters the equation, but it goes well beyond that.

As for your mother's miscarriage, that sucks man. Ask her how she felt when that happened to her. Chances are she was very saddened, and experienced a sense of loss. Why? Because she was robbed of the opportunity to get to know THAT child, and that child never got the chance to know the love of it's mother. After a miscarriage, parents don't just shrug their shoulders and say "oh well, we'll just make another one." It's sad because of the opportunities lost for the life that could have been.

[Schneed10]

And I hear you say that liberty and freedom come before your own personal conservative beliefs on the issue. I agree that freedom should be at the very core of every law we make in the United States.

But the question is which freedom supercedes the other here? Which is more important, the mother's freedom to do what she pleases with her body, or the "fertilized egg's" freedom to follow nature's course and be born into the world to pusue life and all its joys without being stopped?