lebron, WOW

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by an23dy

I don't understand why people like this guy. Firstly, the Cavs keep beating the Wizards in the play-offs. Once because a completely terrible call where LeBron took 6 steps and then he complains he didn't get an and-one. He complains about calls constantly even though it is so obvious the refs completely cater to him. Like Haywood and then Songalia getting suspended last year in the play-offs. I really think Stern is telling the refs to protect James because every time he goes to the basket it's like they've already decided to call the foul before it happens. He travels more than anybody and gets away with it, and this year he gets called on it once and then tries to say it was a terrible call and it was a crab dribble and he completely incorrectly defines what a crab dribble is. He says it's a hesitation dribble, come on now, I can't believe more people didn't get on him for this. Analysts, everybody said it was a travel, not a single person said otherwise except this guy

First of all I am a big Wiz fan, and everyone knows he traveled vs. us. Couple points.

1)The traveling is not his fault, it is the NBA. They simply don't call it anymore. If you are in a league that allows you travel and everyone else does it, why not do it yourself? It would be irrational and stupid not to. Wade travels all the time.

2)You said he is a crybaby. What about Kobe? Kobe bitches about calls and stuff constantly. And Kobe also retaliates after he feels a call didn't go his way. I have seen a ton of dirty elbows, pushes, etc. from him. I rarely see that from LeBron. Kobe complains a ton to the refs too; I think you are just being bias.

3) You really think the league protects one player? What about that playoff game when Wade went to the free throw line about 40 times? They just call a lot of touch fouls and intentionals for no reason. The game has changed, not because of LeBron.

4)You make it seem like he sucks. Now let's not go DeShawn(sp) here but he is not overrated. Especially this year. Improved his three point shot, assists, free-throw percentage, etc. He also plays D like no other with blocks, plus he boards. He isn't as pure or fundamental as Kobe, but he is a damn good scorer and a team player.

5)One point people brought up was that he wasn't clutch(I use to as well). Case in point last game.


I use to be a big hater like you man, but it is time to see the truth. He is a damn good player. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Orlando to win but that doesn't mean you can't respect his skill. Plus from all accounts, he is a nice guy liked by his locker room.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by hooskins

First of all I am a big Wiz fan, and everyone knows he traveled vs. us. Couple points.

1)The traveling is not his fault, it is the NBA. They simply don't call it anymore. If you are in a league that allows you travel and everyone else does it, why not do it yourself? It would be irrational and stupid not to. Wade travels all the time.

2)You said he is a crybaby. What about Kobe? Kobe bitches about calls and stuff constantly. And Kobe also retaliates after he feels a call didn't go his way. I have seen a ton of dirty elbows, pushes, etc. from him. I rarely see that from LeBron. Kobe complains a ton to the refs too; I think you are just being bias.

3) You really think the league protects one player? What about that playoff game when Wade went to the free throw line about 40 times? They just call a lot of touch fouls and intentionals for no reason. The game has changed, not because of LeBron.

4)You make it seem like he sucks. Now let's not go DeShawn(sp) here but he is not overrated. Especially this year. Improved his three point shot, assists, free-throw percentage, etc. He also plays D like no other with blocks, plus he boards. He isn't as pure or fundamental as Kobe, but he is a damn good scorer and a team player.

5)One point people brought up was that he wasn't clutch(I use to as well). Case in point last game.


I use to be a big hater like you man, but it is time to see the truth. He is a damn good player. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Orlando to win but that doesn't mean you can't respect his skill. Plus from all accounts, he is a nice guy liked by his locker room.

I'll agree with you on most of your points, but I do have some comments on your comments. The Kobe retaliating point is good and I don't like it, but I'd rather that than somebody just act tough all the time and never back it up and then flop around everywhere and cry all game. Just like I have no respect for the way Manu Ginobli and the way he plays. I'm sure my points have flaws in them and I may see LeBron a little too critically since I was a Jordan fan, but some of this stuff has to have some truth to it.

1) I would say LeBron is the biggest culprit of taking advantage of traveling.

2) I don't like Kobe either. He's one of the guys I dislike most, but I see LeBron as worse because he doesn't understand the game. How can LeBron be so ignorant to continue to say he didn't travel against the Wizards even though everyone is against him, he didn't have a single person in his corner.

3) I don't think they're protecting one player, but they do protect the stars and he seems to benefit the most from it as he is the rising star of the NBA. That along with traveling are two reasons why I dislike the NBA and how it takes away from the purity of the game and real competition to find out who is better without unfair influence.

4) He's good, definitely, I just don't like how he is handed everything by the refs and then complains and acts like a child. He nor Kobe carries themselves like Jordan did. They all competed on the court, but Jordan just seemed to carry himself with so much more respect and he seemed to have so much more knowledge about the game. Maybe when LeBron is older he'll be different, but I think it's also a lot because these guys never played ball in college. I think that's where you learn about discipline and hard work and you get an education, not only about basketball but about life. Jordan learned from Dean Smith, but Kobe and LeBron never had a mentor like that.

5) I wouldn't use one shot to prove he is clutch. He's young so he'll get a lot more chances on that front.

[MasterBlaster]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Or you are a Wizards fan (short memory MasterBlaster?). Nevertheless, I can't force myself to hate the kid. He keeps winning me over.

nope! but i''m not a Cav's fan either, just know, that, he is being hated on alot, by idiots, like Skip Bayless, this guy talk's a big game, but I bet he wouldnt say that shit to their face, oh yeah, he is a big athlete, he run's marthaon's and POKER IS A SPORT :vomit:

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by MasterBlaster

nope! but i''m not a Cav's fan either, just know, that, he is being hated on alot, by idiots, like Skip Bayless, this guy talk's a big game, but I bet he wouldnt say that shit to their face, oh yeah, he is a big athlete, he run's marthaon's and POKER IS A SPORT :vomit:

Your life will be much better if you don't ever listen to that man. I stopped about a year ago. He is without a doubt my least favorite person in sports-related television. I swear ESPN pays him to be a contrarian and to ruffle feathers intentionally. A lot of his opinions are just laughably ignorant.

[dmek25]

hoo, why is everyone hatin?

[dmek25]

you bringing up Sczerbiak tells me alot. i done debating with you

[mredskins]

I would root for the Magic if their coach was not the biggest (literally) piece of crap I have ever seen or heard.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I would root for the Magic if their coach was not the biggest (literally) piece of crap I have ever seen or heard.

Hate him all you want, Stan Van Gundy has played the matchups very well so far this series. He's really done a phenomenal job.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Hate him all you want, Stan Van Gundy has played the matchups very well so far this series. He's really done a phenomenal job.

He is all yours baby! Enjoy.

Also, an NBA coach is about as useful as tits on a bull. They don't do a damn thing. Even when they are "wired" up listen to what they have to say. "OK guys we need to hustle, really get after the ball, we got these guys." All the while the players are all just goofing off as he is speaking. Would it not be cheaper just to get a tape recorder and hit the play button at everytime out?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mredskins

He is all yours baby! Enjoy.

Also, an NBA coach is about as useful as tits on a bull. They don't do a damn thing. Even when they are "wired" up listen to what they have to say. "OK guys we need to hustle, really get after the ball, we got these guys." All the while the players are all just goofing off as he is speaking. Would it not be cheaper just to get a tape recorder and hit the play button at everytime out?

Right, because he didn't draw up the play that freed up Rashard Lewis for that 3 pointer that pushed it to OT.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Right, because he didn't draw up the play that freed up Rashard Lewis for that 3 pointer that pushed it to OT.

He also admitted fault on defensive assignments to lose some games this playoffs. So yeah of course they are not useless but some are quite overated in their value. Phil Jackson...

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by mredskins

He is all yours baby! Enjoy.

Also, an NBA coach is about as useful as tits on a bull. They don't do a damn thing. Even when they are "wired" up listen to what they have to say. "OK guys we need to hustle, really get after the ball, we got these guys." All the while the players are all just goofing off as he is speaking. Would it not be cheaper just to get a tape recorder and hit the play button at everytime out?

i pretty much agree with this. at least come game time. they are all about practice, and execution. most of game time they are crying to the refs. just like every one else. that's part of what makes me laugh about people saying Lebron cries too much. there isn't one single player/ coach that doesn't cry. M.J. cried all the time. so did Bird. what about Duncan? always crying to the refs

[SmootSmack]

Huge win for the Magic. I'm rooting big time for the Magic, since I've got them playing the Lakers in the Finals.

I think the Magic would and could get more calls if they weren't taking so many three-pointers. The Cavs, namely LeBron, are constantly attacking the basket. That'll help you get calls all the time.

[mredskins]

Come game day the Point Guard or Star player does the majority of the play calling. KC Jones has even said Bird did most of the coaching during their time together.

I think there are a lot grudges here towards James becuase he seems to always beat the Wiz (not hard to do).

I agree the majority of players cry, Paul Pierce does it all the time. Part of the crying is justified because calling an NBA game is so "gray" you never know what those damn referees are going to call thus, people get pissed off.

IMO and I love the NBA it is the closets professional sport to the WWE. I love how McDonalds already has comercials about James and Kobe hoping (yeah right) that they will meet in the playoffs. I would not be a damn bit surprised if Ceveland storms back in this series and wins it.

[dmek25]

can you smell what David Stern is cooking?