Peter King Expects Jason Campbell to be 26th Most Productive 2007 QB

[GTripp0012]

Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson

I was with you up until number 2

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson

Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.

Alright, why don't you make one and we can go back and see who is more right at the end of the year? Just a friendly gentlemen's bet.

BTW, anyone who wants in on this can. It'd be fun to make a competition out of this.

I think people will be quite surprised. (well, either that or I will) Problem is that everyone will use last year as a baseline for their picks. That will give me a big advantage.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Alright, why don't you make one and we can go back and see who is more right at the end of the year? Just a friendly gentlemen's bet.

BTW, anyone who wants in on this can. It'd be fun to make a competition out of this.

I think people will be quite surprised. (well, either that or I will) Problem is that everyone will use last year as a baseline for their picks. That will give me a big advantage.

Wait, wait, so are you saying that you know more about all these guys than the rest of us? :confused:

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Wait, wait, so are you saying that you know more about all these guys than the rest of us? :confused:

I have no more access to any information about these guys than anyone else.

I'm saying that people tend to use the previous season as the baseline for all projections, despite piles of evidence that says 16 games one year will produce very different results from 16 games the next year. I believe by looking at career path projections and career production, I can see the wider picture and project for the current season accordingly.

Even still, that doesn't make me anymore right than anyone else.

[dblanch66]

None of this means anything at all. It's the off season and the ass clown PK needs to justify a paycheck.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Bulger at #2?

Rivers at #3?

Leinart at #4?

Brees at #10?

Schaub at #8?

I must say one thing, at least you're consistent in your "unique" views around here.

Does different/unique always mean wrong with you?

Time to see for myself. I want to see the changes you would make to King's list. I'm basically calling you out on this one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Does different/unique always mean wrong with you?

Time to see for myself. I want to see the changes you would make to King's list. I'm basically calling you out on this one.

I didn't say wrong, just unique.

How are we going to judge this? Will it be based on passer rating?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I didn't say wrong, just unique.

How are we going to judge this? Will it be based on passer rating?

You did put it in quotes though...

My beef with passer rating as a stat is well documented, but I think in this case it represents a solid middle ground between the stats that I use, and something completely unhelpful like passing yards or something. I'd be cool with passer rating.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Whatever. King is just throwing his opinion out there. Some points he makes will actaully be right (Donovan won't be as hot as he was in 2006 again), Others (such as Romo and Young being more productive than McNabb) will be wrong. That's not a big deal.

Speaking of opinions, heres how I would have done it:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Everyone else

With everyone else listed in this order:

2. Marc Bulger
3. Phillip Rivers
4. Matt Leinart
5. Tom Brady
6. Carson Palmer
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Matt Schaub
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Drew Brees
11. Donovan McNabb
12. Jason Campbell
13. Byron Leftwich
14. Jay Cutler
15. Vince Young
16. Eli Manning
17. Chad Pennington
18. Steve McNair
19. Jon Kitna
20. Jeff Garcia
21. Trent Green
22. Alex Smith
23. Rex Grossman
24. Tony Romo
25. Jake Delhomme
26. Brett Favre
27. Michael Vick
28. Josh McCown
29. Brodie Croyle
30. Charlie Frye
31. JP Losman
32. Tavaris Jackson

No way Rivers and Leinart are ranked higher than McNabb, Palmer, Brees and Brady. I mean you are talking about 4 of the best qb's in football vs two guys who have only started one year. Hell, Leinart hasn't even started 16 games. From what I hear, Leinart is having problems with the new offense. Don't be surprised if you see Kurt Warner at some point this year.

Also how in the world do you have Schaub ahead of McNabb and Brees? That's nuts! McNabb and Brees are MVP type of players. Brees could have easily won the MVP last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No way Rivers and Leinart are ranked higher than McNabb, Palmer, Brees and Brady. I mean you are talking about 4 of the best qb's in football vs two guys who have only started one year. Hell, Leinart hasn't even started 16 games. From what I hear, Leinart is having problems with the new offense. Don't be surprised if you see Kurt Warner at some point this year.

Also how in the world do you have Schaub ahead of McNabb and Brees? That's nuts! McNabb and Brees are MVP type of players. Brees could have easily won the MVP last year.

But I'm not talking about last year. I'm projecting this year.

McNabb, Palmer, Brees, and Brady are and will always be successful quarterbacks, but the idea is to pick the guys who are the best in their field for this year. And Rivers, Leinart and Schaub definately fit the criteria.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But I'm not talking about last year. I'm projecting this year.

McNabb, Palmer, Brees, and Brady are and will always be successful quarterbacks, but the idea is to pick the guys who are the best in their field for this year. And Rivers, Leinart and Schaub definately fit the criteria.

I realize that you are projecting for this year. Rivers does not have the WR's, nor does he play in the type of offense that's going to have him put up big bumbers.

Schaub is playing behind a poor line and has only one target at WR. Who is the Texans 2nd wr option?? He's going to struggle.

Leinart could be a top ten but you have him as a top 3. That's probably a little too much of a jump. Remember he is playing in his 3rd offense in three years and he was up and down last year. Plus Arizona has a suspect line as well.

The guy I would look to have a breakout year is JP Loosman. I would have him rated way above Schaub. He really came on at the end of last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I realize that you are projecting for this year. Rivers does not have the WR's, nor does he play in the type of offense that's going to have him put up big bumbers.

Schaub is playing behind a poor line and has only one target at WR. Who is the Texans 2nd wr option?? He's going to struggle.

Leinart could be a top ten but you have him as a top 3. That's probably a little too much of a jump. Remember he is playing in his 3rd offense in three years and he was up and down last year. Plus Arizona has a suspect line as well.

The guy I would look to have a breakout year is JP Loosman. I would have him rated way above Schaub. He really came on at the end of last year.

I think talk of JP Losman having a good season last year is quite overrated. He held the ball too long and had little success completing passes. I don't think theres anyway he sniffs last years production.

It's impossible for me to predict who will have the biggest role in their offense. That's why I rank the players based on the assumption that they will all throw an equal amount of passes, and hope that my rankings are proven correct. Leinart could finish 3 or 9 (or somewhere in between), but as long as he establishes himself as a clear cut pro bowl talent this year, I'll consider myself correct.

Just be aware that I'm not worried about the talent around a guy in my rankings. Of course that will affect his yardage totals, but I don't put a lot of stock into pure yardage. I'm worried about what a guy does with the opps he has. Schaub and Leinart were phenominal college players with lots of expeience who have shown some great things in limited time at the pro level. No reason to think that they won't be top ten passers this year.

[MTK]

McNabb put up HUGE numbers in 2004, so I'm not sure why anyone would consider what he did last year until he got injured a "mirage".

In fact if you look at his last two injury plagued seasons, if you project those numbers out over a full season his numbers would be pretty much right in line with his 2004 season.