Rank our OLine among the 32 teams

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think those are very good, but obvious ways to measure an offensive lines productivity. But let me throw this out there; What was our third down conversion ratio when we ran the ball? I think that's also a good way to quantify the effectiveness of an offensive line. Can you pound the ball when they know you're going to run it?

yeah, that is true. The first thing i looked at when i went to that stat page was 3rd and short and it ranked the skins 30th overall. That was the 2006 version of the book so 2005-2006 season. I guess a few stats on that will be provided when the next version comes out next month

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

yeah, that is true. The first thing i looked at when i went to that stat page was 3rd and short and it ranked the skins 30th overall. That was the 2006 version of the book so 2005-2006 season. I guess a few stats on that will be provided when the next version comes out next month

Okay, then that says something to me. It's not everything, but to be ranked 30th out of 32 teams doesn't display dominance.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay, then that says something to me. It's not everything, but to be ranked 30th out of 32 teams doesn't display dominance.

That could also be a reflection of play calling.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That could also be a reflection of play calling.

I absolutely think it could be a result of the play calling. We did see evidence of that last year. Still to to be ranked 30 out of 32 isn't good.

[MTK]

On 3rd and short you also have to consider who's running the ball. Sometimes a back has to make something out of nothing. Neither Portis or Betts have been overly impressive in those situations.

[GusFrerotte]

Rate every offensive line from 1-32? I would just go to NFL.com pull up the team rushing stats sacks allowed and passing yards and just do the math.

[Skinsfan1967]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

We have the #1 Offensive Line this year.

Why?
Cus I'm a homer with blind faith and support for my team regurdless of facts or stats. lol Hail Skins!!!!!!!!

~chants "We're #1, we're #1!"

lol
peace

Couldn't have put it any better!!!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsWill

Well Deff. Top 5 i would prob. say #3 I Think only Seattle and Indy MAY have better lines. We finished #4 in rushing and i think #5 in sacks allowed. San Deigo and Denver are up there too.

I agree here...but I'd say 4 overall...I think we are going to come out of the gates with a 10 or so OL, then by the end of the season we will have the #1 unit after Wade gels with the team, so we will likely end 4th or so.

[FRPLG]

Without doing statistical research, I'm lazy, I can say that we're a top 7 OL. If you break down position we stack up pretty well with almost any line. Add in some solid chemistry and you can bump up a raw talent score a bit. The question is LG. I am not sure I like what I am hearing out of the Park. It sounds like Wade was struggling a little bit and even though it is early I would arther have heard he was looking like the second coming of Steinbach. On the other hand our depth sounds like it is as strong as it has been in years which is a welcome relief.

Samuels is a top 5 tackle. Some will argue this but they are the ones who don't remember what an average LT looks like. He may not be Walter Jones in his prime but he is right behind the small group of totally dominate LTs.

Wade-who knows. He clearly had skills to be a beyond serviceable tackle which would seem to lend him to being an above average tackle but that remains to be seen. Whitacker as his backup makes me feel a lot better about this spot. One of these guys has to be decent.

Rabach-probably on average, maybe a little above. But what does it really matter. He doesn't commit a lot of penalties and seems to be doing just fine directing the line. He is not by any stretch a weak link.

Thomas- I think he is one of the most underrated guards in the league. Our line falls apart when he is out. He is good, very good.

Jansen-Used to be a top 7 tackle and has probably slipped a bit. A top 10 type guy now skills wise but his leadership is a plus.

Put them together and add the carryover chemistry and they have two top tier guys, one pretty good guy, one ok guy and one who knows guy. Not sure how that adds up but I dont see it being worse than last year.

[budw38]

Talent wise I would say 4th - 7th .On performance , maybe top ten . Hard to gage the line , new offence , change at QB , and injuries to Thomas and Jansen . If we can move the ball and score TD's this year at NYG and at Dallass , maybe top 5 or better. We have to score TDs in NY and Dallass this year !!!!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Without doing statistical research, I'm lazy, I can say that we're a top 7 OL. If you break down position we stack up pretty well with almost any line. Add in some solid chemistry and you can bump up a raw talent score a bit. The question is LG. I am not sure I like what I am hearing out of the Park. It sounds like Wade was struggling a little bit and even though it is early I would arther have heard he was looking like the second coming of Steinbach. On the other hand our depth sounds like it is as strong as it has been in years which is a welcome relief.

Samuels is a top 5 tackle. Some will argue this but they are the ones who don't remember what an average LT looks like. He may not be Walter Jones in his prime but he is right behind the small group of totally dominate LTs.

Wade-who knows. He clearly had skills to be a beyond serviceable tackle which would seem to lend him to being an above average tackle but that remains to be seen. Whitacker as his backup makes me feel a lot better about this spot. One of these guys has to be decent.

Rabach-probably on average, maybe a little above. But what does it really matter. He doesn't commit a lot of penalties and seems to be doing just fine directing the line. He is not by any stretch a weak link.

Thomas- I think he is one of the most underrated guards in the league. Our line falls apart when he is out. He is good, very good.

Jansen-Used to be a top 7 tackle and has probably slipped a bit. A top 10 type guy now skills wise but his leadership is a plus.

Put them together and add the carryover chemistry and they have two top tier guys, one pretty good guy, one ok guy and one who knows guy. Not sure how that adds up but I dont see it being worse than last year.

I agree...also I feel we have THE best OL coach in the league. Long live Bugel.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

speaking of stats though, this stat page is cool FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2007

I have a question though. Someone posted a book up last year that was about statistics in football. I think the book cost $50 but i can't find it on this site or anywhere else. While searching I came to find a book and the link i provided above but i don't think it is the book i am looking for. Does anyone know off the top of their heads what book i might have been thinking about

Pro Football Prospectus?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I completely disagree. If you have a player like Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball for at leat a full second too long as his weakness then the line will be at a massive disadvantage. If the QB has a noodle arm like Danny Weurfel or can only go deep if he is allowed the time to step into his throw like Brunell then the line is not going to perform at it's best. In the NFL if the Quarterback doesn't put pressure on the defense then the line can't possible function properly. Unless the line is ridiculously dominant and we don't have that kind of line. If Campbell becomes a top ten QB which I think he will then IMO this line will look very very good or great even. That's what they are right now. Very good, but certainly not great.

But Patrick Ramsey holding on to the ball too long is NOT the fault of the line. A good line evaluation system would not penalize a line for Ramsey holding the ball too long.

But still, the line is no better or worse with Ramsey back there. If we are penalizing line play for Ramsey's mistakes, its time to find a new system of evaluation.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

yeah, that is true. The first thing i looked at when i went to that stat page was 3rd and short and it ranked the skins 30th overall. That was the 2006 version of the book so 2005-2006 season. I guess a few stats on that will be provided when the next version comes out next month

I think I've been saying that we have no power running game now for about 5 months...and yes that page is where I found evidence for my claim. Good work BSB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

On 3rd and short you also have to consider who's running the ball. Sometimes a back has to make something out of nothing. Neither Portis or Betts have been overly impressive in those situations.

Very good point, although a 30th out of 32 ranking suggests a consistent and decisive inability to run in short yardage situations, as to mean someone needs to be replaced. Do you suggest replacing Portis in short yardage situations?