Could Thrash Become #2 WR

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

lloyd does suck and ARE is a punt returner who is a number 3 wr at best

[GTripp0012]

The 2nd WR is just that...the second best wide receiver on your team (who plays the second most snaps or catches the second most passes). There are no skill qualifications for a No. 2 reciever. It's a media term, and not even one of the better ones.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The 2nd WR is just that...the second best wide receiver on your team (who plays the second most snaps or catches the second most passes). There are no skill qualifications for a No. 2 reciever. It's a media term, and not even one of the better ones.

I agree, but do you really see Thrash as that guy?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree, but do you really see Thrash as that guy?

Yes. I have no reason to think that Lloyd or Randle El are primed for a breakout year as a WR.

Randle El was a converted QB, who never played the position in college. Anything the Steelers got, and now we get from him is a bonus. There are certain football skills Randle El has valuable to any NFL team (and warrent playing time), but being a quality NFL receiver is not one of them. He can however play the part in a pinch.

Lloyd was a fourth rounder who never quite lived up to his draft position, and then got a big pay day. Not sure how long we are supposed to wait on him to show football skill that he never proved he had at any point (college or pros). Circus catches aside, Lloyd has yet to show that he belongs in the NFL.

Thrash was our best WR last year (by the efficency metric). Now Moss was hurt and is very obviously a better player, and Thrash's age suggests that he is not likely to be better than last year, but that gap between him and ARE/Lloyd is pretty sizable. Nothing to spit on.

The best argument against Thrash starting this year is that the 2nd receiver position is too insigificant to give to a journeyman WR who will be blocking growth of ARE as a NFL receiver, and Brandon Lloyd as a giant a**hole. But if the point is to start the best 11 players, hard to convince me that Thrash doesn't belong.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes. I have no reason to think that Lloyd or Randle El are primed for a breakout year as a WR.

Randle El was a converted QB, who never played the position in college. Anything the Steelers got, and now we get from him is a bonus. There are certain football skills Randle El has valuable to any NFL team (and warrent playing time), but being a quality NFL receiver is not one of them. He can however play the part in a pinch.

Lloyd was a fourth rounder who never quite lived up to his draft position, and then got a big pay day. Not sure how long we are supposed to wait on him to show football skill that he never proved he had at any point (college or pros). Circus catches aside, Lloyd has yet to show that he belongs in the NFL.

Thrash was our best WR last year (by the efficency metric). Now Moss was hurt and is very obviously a better player, and Thrash's age suggests that he is not likely to be better than last year, but that gap between him and ARE/Lloyd is pretty sizable. Nothing to spit on.

The best argument against Thrash starting this year is that the 2nd receiver position is too insigificant to give to a journeyman WR who will be blocking growth of ARE as a NFL receiver, and Brandon Lloyd as a giant a**hole. But if the point is to start the best 11 players, hard to convince me that Thrash doesn't belong.

I applaud the link. But there is a reason he is not in with everyone else, he didn't have enough balls thrown to him, so his numbers could be inflated.
ARE's 3 td's are more than Thrash has had in 6 years with the Skins (not including 2000.) Lloyd averaged over 4 tds a season until last year. Something Thrash never did.
So I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree, cause I see a huge problem with Thrash as our #2, and if he is, I see us failing miserably.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I applaud the link. But there is a reason he is not in with everyone else, he didn't have enough balls thrown to him, so his numbers could be inflated.

This is of course, the legitimate criticism to these 2006 numbers. In my defense, I'd say that it wasn't close enough to even argue sample size...but then again thats subjective.

I still think you are severly overvaluing the effect of the second receiver in the offense, especially since you are saying that we should play the lesser of two evils. It's not even like the Calvin Johnson vs. James Thrash argument of draft week...in which of course I argued that the position was too insiginificant to use a top six pick on CJ, which the Lions are about to learn the hard way. This is James Thrash vs. Lloyd/Randle El...hes probably better, but talking purely win expectancy...if this move changes our win expectancy in any given game more than half a percent in either direction, I'd be beyond shocked. And when you are talking about fractions of percents of win expectancy in a single game, that to me is the definition of insignificant.

But to each their own.

[GTripp0012]

And I agree that guys like Thrash can be easily replaced...thus the concept known as replacement level, but we don't do the whole young thing. We just pay big money for bad players and then add scrubs. We never sign players who couldnt make it in other camps to play for us, we just roll with what we have...and thus no one ever comes onto the roster worthy of replacing Thrash.

At this point, its too late in the season to bring someone in as the starter. Not enough time to teach the playbook, no matter how many nights player sleeps over at Todd Collins' house.

[GTripp0012]

Doesn't mean that you and me wouldn't be better than at least half the GMs in the business anyway.

I'm serious on this one. We so would be.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Doesn't mean that you and me wouldn't be better than at least half the GMs in the business anyway.

I'm serious on this one. We so would be.

I firmly believe that.
I have a unique ability to see talent, and a lot of time predict how players will do.
I do tend to think that some players on our team are better than they are at times, but I see the NFL for what it is.
I'd LOVE to be a GM.

[BrudLee]

James Thrash will always have a spot on this team because he works harder than anyone on it. My standard complaint with any underperforming Redskin for the past ten years is "If we could only put James Thrash's head on (Michael Westbrook, Trung Canidate, Brandon Lloyd, etc.)..."

Frankly, Thrash has put up good metrics when he is out there in an offensive role. Typically, this has happened late in the season, when injuries have increased his position in the rotation. If he sees earlier action because of his skill and efforts, good for him and us.

[dmek25]

i will never understand this boards infatuation with James Thrash. every team has a " James Thrash" type. a good team guy, and produces when given the chance. can not be anything more then what you already see. he will fill the same role he had last season. special teamer, and a fill in due to injury. everyone that plays in this league simply cannot become a star

[Cowell]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never understand this boards infatuation with James Thrash. every team has a " James Thrash" type. a good team guy, and produces when given the chance. can not be anything more then what you already see. he will fill the same role he had last season. special teamer, and a fill in due to injury. everyone that plays in this league simply cannot become a star

That is exactly what James Thrash is. He's not going to be any more especially at this point in his career, I think he's only got a few more years left.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never understand this boards infatuation with James Thrash. every team has a " James Thrash" type. a good team guy, and produces when given the chance. can not be anything more then what you already see. he will fill the same role he had last season. special teamer, and a fill in due to injury. everyone that plays in this league simply cannot become a star

I think it might have something to do with the fact that he chooses not to rap. And as far as that last sentence:

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i will never understand this boards infatuation with James Thrash. every team has a " James Thrash" type. a good team guy, and produces when given the chance. can not be anything more then what you already see. he will fill the same role he had last season. special teamer, and a fill in due to injury. everyone that plays in this league simply cannot become a star

Exactly, 100% agree.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

James Thrash is exactly what Dmek said. A good team guy who produces, he may not be our most talented reciever, but after Cooley and Moss he certainly is the most realiable.