McNabb says black QBs criticized more

[skinsfan_nn]

IMO I don't want to hear him cryin about black QB'S having a tougher time in the NFL, what about the other position's in the NFL? Ratio white to black? There you have it.

He's a big ass crying baby that's been crying this same old tune for far to long, that happens to be INJURY PRONE and CAN'T PLAY LIKE HE ONCE COULD! Can't help it he's black.

[redskinsfanatic]

injuries have taken their toll on him,but the eagles coaching staff has never given him a decent reciever other than owens,thrash, and pinkston either.
i think it's more frustration than anything else.he's really gonna cry when he gets benched and kolb comes in for him.

[Bushead]

I still feel like this was manufactured news with an unethical stringing of video tape to a result.

[The Zimmermans]

I like McNabb as a person and a player. He's a black atlete who worked hard, defied odds and succeeded as a QB in the NFL...he can say what he wants, he has earned the right after managing to play in that City successfully for that long.

[Dlyne8r]

Please oh please don't get Jason Campbell mixed up in all of this crap. Now this from:

ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet

'SKINS QUARTERBACK DISAGREES WITH DONOVAN

I hope Florio doesn't make more of JC's comments than necessary. But, given PFT's rep, I wouldn't be surprised to hear more backlash from this.

[Paintrain]

I think McNabb is 100% right in what he says. Black QB have to be great, not good to keep a job in the NFL.. History in the past 10 years reinforces that. For example, how many black backups are out there? Proven losers or relative no names like Doug Johnson, Kerry Collins, Sage Rosenfels, Trent Edwards, etc. and washed up QB like Vinny Testaverde & Brad Johnson are collecting checks.. Doug Flutie got a 20 year career out of being a novelty act.

It took Byron Leftwich, a career 59% passer with a nearly 2-1 career TD/INT ratio nearly a month to get a contract after he was released. Aaron Brooks, nowhere near a great QB, really not even good but more accomplished than any of the aforementioned white QB (except Brad Johnson) is still out of the NFL. History is littered with good/decent black QB who never got another shot or didn't get the opportunity to hang on as a backup for 10+ years.. For every Anthony Wright, there are 3 Shaun Kings.

There are more black starting QB than there were years ago no doubt, but is Aaron Brooks any worse than 50% of the backups in the league today? That’s where McNabb’s point is being missed by the masses.. Black QB don’t get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to teams taking a chance on them, even as a backup… If Dennis Green took a chance on Randall Cunningham who was out of the league because nobody would bring him into even a training camp, he went on to win 15 games and be within a missed FG of going to the Super Bowl.. Those are the examples McNabb is talking about. JP Losman is in his 4th year of accomplishing nothing in Buffalo and yet there is minmal question or outcry for his job. Steve McNair was a MVP runner up, perennial pro bow QB, Super Bowl QB, had a bad year and fans & media were calling for Billy Volek..

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think McNabb is 100% right in what he says. Black QB have to be great, not good to keep a job in the NFL.. History in the past 10 years reinforces that. For example, how many black backups are out there? Proven losers or relative no names like Doug Johnson, Kerry Collins, Sage Rosenfels, Trent Edwards, etc. and washed up QB like Vinny Testaverde & Brad Johnson are collecting checks.. Doug Flutie got a 20 year career out of being a novelty act.

It took Byron Leftwich, a career 59% passer with a nearly 2-1 career TD/INT ratio nearly a month to get a contract after he was released. Aaron Brooks, nowhere near a great QB, really not even good but more accomplished than any of the aforementioned white QB (except Brad Johnson) is still out of the NFL. History is littered with good/decent black QB who never got another shot or didn't get the opportunity to hang on as a backup for 10+ years.. For every Anthony Wright, there are 3 Shaun Kings.

There are more black starting QB than there were years ago no doubt, but is Aaron Brooks any worse than 50% of the backups in the league today? That’s where McNabb’s point is being missed by the masses.. Black QB don’t get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to teams taking a chance on them, even as a backup… If Dennis Green took a chance on Randall Cunningham who was out of the league because nobody would bring him into even a training camp, he went on to win 15 games and be within a missed FG of going to the Super Bowl.. Those are the examples McNabb is talking about. JP Losman is in his 4th year of accomplishing nothing in Buffalo and yet there is minmal question or outcry for his job. Steve McNair was a MVP runner up, perennial pro bow QB, Super Bowl QB, had a bad year and fans & media were calling for Billy Volek..

That's hard to bite. If that were true the black athlete would not comprise the 80% < > that curretly is the NFL norm. A bunch of second tier white guys would be there instead.
I think the current lack of quality QB's in the NFL is serious, and not lost on NFL management, and coach's. If he can throw the ball, I think Jamal Alvarez Feldman gets a contract this afternoon.
If Mcnabb is trying to help his cause, he's a stupid SOB if does not realize the effect his continued cry baby remarks are having.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Hog1

That's hard to bite. If that were true the black athlete would not comprise the 80% < > that curretly is the NFL norm. A bunch of second tier white guys would be there instead.
I think the current lack of quality QB's in the NFL is serious, and not lost on NFL management, and coach's. If he can throw the ball, I think Jamal Alvarez Feldman gets a contract this afternoon.
If Mcnabb is trying to help his cause, he's a stupid SOB if does not realize the effect his continued cry baby remarks are having.

Black players are the majority of 'skill position' players, but the "cerebral positions" center and QB are manned at more than a 90% clip of white players.. I don't see how someone who is uniquely qualified to express his opinon (since nobody here on the board is a black NFL QB) makes him a stupid SOB and cry baby.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Black players are the majority of 'skill position' players, but the "cerebral positions" center and QB are manned at more than a 90% clip of white players.. I don't see how someone who is uniquely qualified to express his opinon (since nobody here on the board is a black NFL QB) makes him a stupid SOB and cry baby.

He is also "Uniquely Qualified" to repeatedly bear the backlash of such comments to the media, and the questionable judgement of doing so.......repeatedly.
The failure to learn that a certain action, will bring a certain negative reaction, time and again makes him a stupid SOB

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

There are more black starting QB than there were years ago no doubt, but is Aaron Brooks any worse than 50% of the backups in the league today? That’s where McNabb’s point is being missed by the masses.. Black QB don’t get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to teams taking a chance on them, even as a backup… If Dennis Green took a chance on Randall Cunningham who was out of the league because nobody would bring him into even a training camp, he went on to win 15 games and be within a missed FG of going to the Super Bowl.. Those are the examples McNabb is talking about. JP Losman is in his 4th year of accomplishing nothing in Buffalo and yet there is minmal question or outcry for his job. Steve McNair was a MVP runner up, perennial pro bow QB, Super Bowl QB, had a bad year and fans & media were calling for Billy Volek..

Yes, yes he is. Brooks is terrible.

Look, people look at Losman's passer rating and think that he made a huge improvement in 2006. He didn't, because he threw for a high percentage of his teams TD's and that will heavily skew passer rating. Losman makes a ton of bad decisions, and although his periphials (comp % and Y/A) were pretty good last year, the ridculous jump between his second and third seasons has "fluke" written all over it. So far this year, Losman only has 5.5 y/a passing, not very good.

Scouting error, which is rampant in the NFL, is not evidence that black QBs are undervalued. If anything, QB athleticism is incredibly overvalued, be you black, white, or other. Look at Leftwich's case. The guy has better rushing skills than Carson Palmer, and better pocket mobility than Kyle Boller, but he's out of a job. Because of his race? No, because his coach spends all day on the defensive side of the ball, decides that fat people can't move, and thusly that Garrard is his QB.

Black QBs don't get the benefit of the doubt? Shaun King? Aaron Brooks? Tavaris Jackson? Rodney Peete? Jeff Blake? Anthony Wright?

None of these guys are superstars, but they all hung around as backups (save Jackson) while young prospects got put on the practice squad and then out of the league.

Tony Banks?

Ill agree that Warren Moon had to take the long road because of the era he played in, and Cunningham was met with a lot of criticizm, the type that McNabb thinks he's getting, but I believe that Moon and Cunningham cant be enamored with McNabb's feelings right now.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, yes he is. Brooks is terrible.

Look, people look at Losman's passer rating and think that he made a huge improvement in 2006. He didn't, because he threw for a high percentage of his teams TD's and that will heavily skew passer rating. Losman makes a ton of bad decisions, and although his periphials (comp % and Y/A) were pretty good last year, the ridculous jump between his second and third seasons has "fluke" written all over it. So far this year, Losman only has 5.5 y/a passing, not very good.

Scouting error, which is rampant in the NFL, is not evidence that black QBs are undervalued. If anything, QB athleticism is incredibly overvalued, be you black, white, or other. Look at Leftwich's case. The guy has better rushing skills than Carson Palmer, and better pocket mobility than Kyle Boller, but he's out of a job. Because of his race? No, because his coach spends all day on the defensive side of the ball, decides that fat people can't move, and thusly that Garrard is his QB.

Black QBs don't get the benefit of the doubt? Shaun King? Aaron Brooks? Tavaris Jackson? Rodney Peete? Jeff Blake? Anthony Wright?

None of these guys are superstars, but they all hung around as backups (save Jackson) while young prospects got put on the practice squad and then out of the league.

Tony Banks?

Ill agree that Warren Moon had to take the long road because of the era he played in, and Cunningham was met with a lot of criticizm, the type that McNabb thinks he's getting, but I believe that Moon and Cunningham cant be enamored with McNabb's feelings right now.

To the part bolded, getting a fair opportunity isn't the benefit of the doubt.

I agree that for the most part Brooks is terrible, but is he any worse than Doug Johnson, Drew Henson, Billy Volek, Kerry Collins, Jared Lorenzen, Charlie Frye, Patrick Ramsey (that was for some of you out there ), David Carr, AJ Feely? My point isn't that he is good, just he somewhat accomplished as an NFL QB but didn't get a sniff this offseason even as a backup..

For every Shaun King (who took his team to the NFC Championship game & was in the league less than 5 years) there are 2-3 Todd Collins, players who were never starters yet carved out a long career as a backup.. Aaron Brooks holds a lot of Saints passing records (over Archie Manning), Jackson was a second round pick and is still young, Peete was a high draft pick who started for most of his career, Blake & Wright are somewhat exceptions to the rule..

As I orignally posted, black QB have to be great, not good to have a long career in the league.. The criticism they get seems to be quicker and harsher than white QB and the leash is a lot shorter..

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To the part bolded, getting a fair opportunity isn't the benefit of the doubt.

I agree that for the most part Brooks is terrible, but is he any worse than Doug Johnson, Drew Henson, Billy Volek, Kerry Collins, Jared Lorenzen, Charlie Frye, Patrick Ramsey (that was for some of you out there ), David Carr, AJ Feely? My point isn't that he is good, just he somewhat accomplished as an NFL QB but didn't get a sniff this offseason even as a backup..

For every Shaun King (who took his team to the NFC Championship game & was in the league less than 5 years) there are 2-3 Todd Collins, players who were never starters yet carved out a long career as a backup.. Aaron Brooks holds a lot of Saints passing records (over Archie Manning), Jackson was a second round pick and is still young, Peete was a high draft pick who started for most of his career, Blake & Wright are somewhat exceptions to the rule..

As I orignally posted, black QB have to be great, not good to have a long career in the league.. The criticism they get seems to be quicker and harsher than white QB and the leash is a lot shorter..

I have to agree with you on 100% on Aaron Brooks. He is better than so many NFL back-ups it's not even funny. Brooks is better than Drew Henson, Jared Lorenzen, Charlie Frye, AJ Feely, Joey Harrington, Doug Johnson, JT O'Sullivan, Bruce Gradkowdski. I'm probably mssing some. But you get my point.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I have to agree with you on 100% on Aaron Brooks. He is better than so many NFL back-ups it's not even funny. Brooks is better than Drew Henson, Jared Lorenzen, Charlie Frye, AJ Feely, Joey Harrington, Doug Johnson, JT O'Sullivan, Bruce Gradkowdski. I'm probably mssing some. But you get my point.

I don't think I'd cut a single one of those guys for Brooks.

I think in a few cases, Brooks is a comprable option. However, he's on the wrong side of 30, and is pretty horrible. Lorenzen, Frye, Harrington, O'Sullivan, and Gradkowski are all still getting better. I think I'd take Brooks over Doug Johnson, but that's pretty much about it.

I don't think the Bengals would be a lot better with Brooks as their No. 2 anyway.

Henson sucks, but hes not in the league, I don't believe.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

For every Shaun King (who took his team to the NFC Championship game & was in the league less than 5 years) there are 2-3 Todd Collins, players who were never starters yet carved out a long career as a backup.. Aaron Brooks holds a lot of Saints passing records (over Archie Manning), Jackson was a second round pick and is still young, Peete was a high draft pick who started for most of his career, Blake & Wright are somewhat exceptions to the rule..

I don't think it matters if you're Blake or Wright...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I don't think it matters if you're Blake or Wright...

Best post of the entire thread. Instant Warpath Classic