Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been...

Cowell · 10-15-2007, 04:05 PM

Well, up until yesterday I thought our offensive line was doing decent given all the injuries they have sustained. That being said the clock management has been terrible. Above it all though, playcalling. Good coaches run plays that give us a chance to win. They didn't do that in the Giants game and they tried to sit on a very small lead in the Eagles game. Honestly though all those three are a big contributing factor to our losing.

GMScud · 10-15-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowell

Well, up until yesterday I thought our offensive line was doing decent given all the injuries they have sustained. That being said the clock management has been terrible. Above it all though, playcalling. Good coaches run plays that give us a chance to win. They didn't do that in the Giants game and they tried to sit on a very small lead in the Eagles game. Honestly though all those three are a big contributing factor to our losing.

Yeah, the sitting on a small lead thing drives me UP THE WALL. That's standard Gibbs though.

CrazyCanuck · 10-15-2007, 04:27 PM

I'll say so far it's been the dropped passes. But the O-line is definitely the biggest concern going forward.

DynamiteRave · 10-15-2007, 05:20 PM

I think dropped passes was the biggest concern of the GB game. It hasn't really been any kind of consistent worry. Except with Moss, I think everyone else has done a fair job of not getting a consistent case of the butterfingers. I'm gonna chalk up yesterdays drops to the elements. But even Brian Mitchell said, you get paid to go out there and catch the ball under any circumstance. There really is no excuse.

After yesterdays game though the clock management is beginning to worry me. But Gibbs has always been known for having good command of the playclock and such so, I assume he really does know what hes doing.

I can't complain about the play calling after the bye. They have really let JC open things up and other than those stupid rinkydink plays (The end around + the end around fake) I think they've been doing a pretty good job. If only we could execute the plays.

I think the O-Line is worrying me the most. With practically the entire starting squad out and Rabach and Wade playing through groin injuries (most likely) our O-Line is weak. And all that depth we tried to bring in during the offseason is gone as well. (With Heyer and Lefotu. Wade starting). It's a bit of a concern. We all saw how the pass blocking broke down on the last 2 pass plays of the game. JC might as well have been running around out there without any protection.

I just hope that's not how it's going to be for the rest of the season.

Skinsfan1967 · 10-15-2007, 05:21 PM

Moss could'nt catch a cold yesterday.

skinsguy · 10-15-2007, 08:50 PM

It's obvious that the dropped passes have been the worst thing for us. That and fumbling. The second thing is injuries on the offensive line. When our backups to our backups are getting hurt, then how do you expect to get any consistent running lanes or pass protection? For crying out loud, is Chris Samuels the only starter left on the line? (Although I'm hoping CR is back at Center next week.)

As far as playcalling is concerned, it's been ok this year. It's funny how the misinformed continue to blame Joe Gibbs when Al Saunders is the one who calls the plays. So, if playcalling was the real issue, then one would have issues with Al Saunders and not Joe Gibbs. Besides, saying that conservatism is a staple in Joe Gibbs' offense obviously wasn't around when we were winning championships, but I digress.

MTRedskinsFan · 10-16-2007, 01:01 AM

Fighting through injuries is what separates great teams from average teams and average teams from shit teams. When Colts or Pats have guys out someone steps up and literally has the best game of their career up to that pt. When a Redskin gets injured the backup typically looks out of place and is unable to deliver (Thrash and lineman who were real starters elsewhere, like Kendell, are the exceptions). Makes you wonder if the coaching staff works much w/ the backups. I had two highs chool coaches notorius for this and it always came around to bite us in the ass somewhere in the season.

SmootSmack · 10-16-2007, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Fighting through injuries is what separates great teams from average teams and average teams from shit teams. When Colts or Pats have guys out someone steps up and literally has the best game of their career up to that pt. When a Redskin gets injured the backup typically looks out of place and is unable to deliver (Thrash and lineman who were real starters elsewhere, like Kendell, are the exceptions). Makes you wonder if the coaching staff works much w/ the backups. I had two highs chool coaches notorius for this and it always came around to bite us in the ass somewhere in the season.

Can you give some examples of backups typically looking out of place this year?

Sean Taylor · 10-16-2007, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Didn't we start at the 50 yard line (thanks to Rock's great return) when Moss fumbled and CW ran it back for the deciding TD? Short field didn't help us much there

It doesn't help that you know more about why we lost. All it does is prove that some people don't know. Still a loss.

SmootSmack · 10-16-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Taylor

It doesn't help that you know more about why we lost. All it does is prove that some people don't know. Still a loss.

What? I don't follow

MTRedskinsFan · 10-16-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Can you give some examples of backups typically looking out of place this year?

1. Brandon Lloyd is officially a backup, right? He looks like a rookie playing for the league minimum every time he sets foot on the field.

2. Wade and Fabini came in looking totally disjointed on the right side and we still don't have a run game (decent at pass protection).

3. The line utterly collapsed when Pucillo came in at center.

There are a lot of bright spots on D, but Godfrey is a proven vet (a guy any team could count on to come in and perform). So, GW did his job. WE HAVE NO OFFENSIVE CONSISTENCY - INJURIES OR NO F'ING INJURIES (NEW YORK), AND YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BE A PLAYOFF TEAM W/O BEING CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.

But the real story here isn't the Redskins, it's how teams serous about winning rise to the occasion no matter what. Maroney goes out for NE and Morris comes in w/o missing a beat for 100 yd rushing games. Colts lose the the best blind-side tackle in the league to retirement and still go undefeated because they find and cultivate the talent to succeed. If Samuels goes out we get Stephen Heyer (a guy who almost cost our one consistent contributor on offense (Campbell) a whole fucking season because of poor execution.

Is the contrast clear enough? We don't have IT. We can, but it will take new management to get us their and we can't lose the few bright spots on offense in the meantime.

JWsleep · 10-16-2007, 01:26 AM

I put dropped passes, but as a stand for for "lack of execution." Been getting within in inches of breaking things open, but then failing to hit it. Fingertip close, in lots of cases.

And we're still at 3-2.

Sean Taylor · 10-16-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What? I don't follow

You call people out for not knowing what is going on with the Skins or game. Like field position or back-ups out of place.

It was obvious that field position wasn't the reason for our troubles or back-ups being out of place was not the reason. What is the point of calling out dumb posters?

They have no impact.

I'm sure its easy to get frustrated running the site as a MOD but fans are fans. Most don't know anything about why we win or lose.

Why in your opinion did the Skins lose to the Packers? I will tell you my opinion. Because we didn't score more points than them..........

SmootSmack · 10-16-2007, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

1. Brandon Lloyd is officially a backup, right? He looks like a rookie playing for the league minimum every time he sets foot on the field.

2. Wade and Fabini came in looking totally disjointed on the right side and we still don't have a run game (decent at pass protection).

3. The line utterly collapsed when Pucillo came in at center.

There are a lot of bright spots on D, but Godfrey is a proven vet (a guy any team could count on to come in and perform). So, GW did his job. WE HAVE NO OFFENSIVE CONSISTENCY - INJURIES OR NO F'ING INJURIES (NEW YORK), AND YOU CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BE A PLAYOFF TEAM W/O BEING CONSISTENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL.

But the real story here isn't the Redskins, it's how teams serous about winning rise to the occasion no matter what. Maroney goes out for NE and Morris comes in w/o missing a beat for 100 yd rushing games. Colts lose the the best blind-side tackle in the league to retirement and still go undefeated because they find and cultivate the talent to succeed. If Samuels goes out we get Stephen Heyer (a guy who almost cost our one consistent contributor on offense (Campbell) a whole fucking season because of poor execution.

Is the contrast clear enough? We don't have IT. We can, but it will take new management to get us their and we can't lose the few bright spots on offense in the meantime.

I guess I didn't really think of Lloyd in your example. I thought more along the lines of how well Heyer stepped in week one, Kendall all season long, Demetric Evans, Godfrey, and Chris Wilson at various points in the season, Todd Wade for Jansen.

SmootSmack · 10-16-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean Taylor

You call people out for not knowing what is going on with the Skins or game. Like field position or back-ups out of place.

It was obvious that field position wasn't the reason for our troubles or back-ups being out of place was not the reason. What is the point of calling out dumb posters?

They have no impact.

I'm sure its easy to get frustrated running the site as a MOD but fans are fans. Most don't know anything about why we win or lose.

Why in your opinion did the Skins lose to the Packers? I will tell you my opinion. Because we didn't score more points than them..........

You've totally lost me. Who was I calling out? You think I was trying to call out The Zimmermans? I wasn't. Not at all.

I think we lost for two main reasons 1.) We didn't catch the ball, 2.) We shouldn't even have been throwing the ball in the first place. I believe we had a 2:1 pass to run ratio. In conditions such as yesterday Portis and Betts each should have had 15-20 carries.

I'm not calling anyone out.

View Poll Results: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been...
Dropped passes	54	31.40%
Injuries to the offensive line	92	53.49%
Clock management	13	7.56%
Play calling	13	7.56%
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10-15-2007, 04:05 PM	#46
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Well, up until yesterday I thought our offensive line was doing decent given all the injuries they have sustained. That being said the clock management has been terrible. Above it all though, playcalling. Good coaches run plays that give us a chance to win. They didn't do that in the Giants game and they tried to sit on a very small lead in the Eagles game. Honestly though all those three are a big contributing factor to our losing.

10-15-2007, 04:27 PM	#48
CrazyCanuck Serenity Now Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,008	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I'll say so far it's been the dropped passes. But the O-line is definitely the biggest concern going forward.

10-15-2007, 05:20 PM	#49
DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 38 Posts: 16,867	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I think dropped passes was the biggest concern of the GB game. It hasn't really been any kind of consistent worry. Except with Moss, I think everyone else has done a fair job of not getting a consistent case of the butterfingers. I'm gonna chalk up yesterdays drops to the elements. But even Brian Mitchell said, you get paid to go out there and catch the ball under any circumstance. There really is no excuse. After yesterdays game though the clock management is beginning to worry me. But Gibbs has always been known for having good command of the playclock and such so, I assume he really does know what hes doing. I can't complain about the play calling after the bye. They have really let JC open things up and other than those stupid rinkydink plays (The end around + the end around fake) I think they've been doing a pretty good job. If only we could execute the plays. I think the O-Line is worrying me the most. With practically the entire starting squad out and Rabach and Wade playing through groin injuries (most likely) our O-Line is weak. And all that depth we tried to bring in during the offseason is gone as well. (With Heyer and Lefotu. Wade starting). It's a bit of a concern. We all saw how the pass blocking broke down on the last 2 pass plays of the game. JC might as well have been running around out there without any protection. I just hope that's not how it's going to be for the rest of the season. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

10-15-2007, 05:21 PM	#50
Skinsfan1967 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, Maryland Age: 57 Posts: 254	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Moss could'nt catch a cold yesterday. __________________ Yellow41 on Redskinsheads

10-15-2007, 08:50 PM	#51
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... It's obvious that the dropped passes have been the worst thing for us. That and fumbling. The second thing is injuries on the offensive line. When our backups to our backups are getting hurt, then how do you expect to get any consistent running lanes or pass protection? For crying out loud, is Chris Samuels the only starter left on the line? (Although I'm hoping CR is back at Center next week.) As far as playcalling is concerned, it's been ok this year. It's funny how the misinformed continue to blame Joe Gibbs when Al Saunders is the one who calls the plays. So, if playcalling was the real issue, then one would have issues with Al Saunders and not Joe Gibbs. Besides, saying that conservatism is a staple in Joe Gibbs' offense obviously wasn't around when we were winning championships, but I digress. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

10-16-2007, 01:01 AM	#52
MTRedskinsFan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 359	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Fighting through injuries is what separates great teams from average teams and average teams from shit teams. When Colts or Pats have guys out someone steps up and literally has the best game of their career up to that pt. When a Redskin gets injured the backup typically looks out of place and is unable to deliver (Thrash and lineman who were real starters elsewhere, like Kendell, are the exceptions). Makes you wonder if the coaching staff works much w/ the backups. I had two highs chool coaches notorius for this and it always came around to bite us in the ass somewhere in the season.

10-16-2007, 01:26 AM	#57
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I put dropped passes, but as a stand for for "lack of execution." Been getting within in inches of breaking things open, but then failing to hit it. Fingertip close, in lots of cases. And we're still at 3-2. __________________ Hail from Houston!

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