What's your defnition of 'conservative playcalling'?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We were not calling deep passes yesterday. Sanders even mentioned it in his interviews after the game. He said we went in with a conservative game plan.

I'm not sure what your definition of "deep" is, but there were at least a few called. Thrash dropped a pretty long toss.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

By my definition, I would say conservative play calling is simply calling any play that prioritizes limiting the chance of a mistake over gaining yards, and first downs and or points.

I think this is a GREAT thread because it does little good to criticize play calling with out first defining what conservative play calling is.

No offense can have success if the play calling is too conservative. However, it's my understanding that people in general don't themselves understand what conservative play calling is prior to voicing their opinion. By definition, a running play on third and eight is NOT CONSERVATIVE if it was called with the primary intent of picking up the first down. It can only be "conservative" if the intent was simply to waste a down without turning the ball over. Generally with the lead, you want to get more conservative as it gets later and later, and the Skins have adhered to this principle thus far. It's the execution that has prevented late game success.

Very nice post, and I agree with you. By this definition, wouldn't it make sense to try to limit mistakes when leading with a young QB? I agree that I'd like to see more passes on 1st and 2nd, but who wants to see a 1st down pick or sacks that put us in 3rd&21?
Keep the clock moving. The frustration for me is the incompletions and TO's in the second halves. Of course, a screen pass should never be picked off.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I'm not sure what your definition of "deep" is, but there were at least a few called. Thrash dropped a pretty long toss.

Forget the real deep stuff. I'm looking for more mid range 15-25 yards stuff. What happened to the creative stuff we had against Det? How about a hurry up offense once in a while? JC seems to run that real well. Someone mentioned in another thread about rolling JC out. How come we don't see this anymore? Gibbs 1 use to roll out Rypien all the time. JC has way more mobility than Rypien ever had. Just do anything to try and score more than 14 freakin points a game. If it doesn't work then fine. At least we are trying instead of letting the defense try and win it every week. It's just the same old shit week in and week out.

I'm happy to be 4-2 but to beat alot of teams we have coming up we are going to have to play alot better on offense. You mean to tell me that we have all these offensive coaches and that was the best gameplan you can come up with? If I were Snyder I would be pissed as hell.

The bottom line is Gibbs just can't seem to coach to win. He coaches not to loose and it is getting so old and it almost cost us the game yesterday.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

LOSING franchises make excuses

WINNING franchises make up for it....we are at a crossroads right now..and what happens this sunday in NE may set the trend

God i hope it doesnt set the trend, im already trying to forget it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its funny when MB was playing people said that he was always dumping the ball off now when JC does this its conservative play calling.

The difference is that JC has been going deep on a pretty consistent basis, he just wasn't going deep against the Cards. MB rarely went deep. Saunders admitted during the offseason that JC gives the ability to go deep on a more consistent basis.

[#56fanatic]

here is what frustrates me. everyone wants to blame the offensive line with injuries. if I am correct, the two games we lost and the 3 of the 4 we won we had comfortable 1st half leads. How did we get the lead, by playing to win!! how did we lose, by playing not to lose!! IF the O-line is so freaking horrible, then how come we seem to move the ball early in games and score 14 or 17 first half points?? Ofensive line play has been bad, but its not the reason we are giving up 2nd half leads and losing games.

We are playing NOT to lose, instead of playing to WIN. We need to throw that crap out the window and run the freaking offense to win games. Stop playing not to have turnovers. That puts zero confidense in your players when you stop playing your offense because you are afraid of turnovers. Plus, teams are making adjustments to stop us in the 2nd half, taking away what we are able to do in the 1st half. where are our adjustments to the defense?? We seem to have one way of playing and if the team stops us, well then we are done. No adjustments what so ever. I dont want to hear about the line play, we all agree they are no where near as good as they would if Jansen and Thomas were playing. But we dont have scrubs playing either. Wade, Fabini, Demulling we are starters for several years.

Coaches seem to need to adjust to the game at hand and they dont seem to be doing that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

here is what frustrates me. everyone wants to blame the offensive line with injuries. if I am correct, the two games we lost and the 3 of the 4 we won we had comfortable 1st half leads. How did we get the lead, by playing to win!! how did we lose, by playing not to lose!! IF the O-line is so freaking horrible, then how come we seem to move the ball early in games and score 14 or 17 first half points?? Ofensive line play has been bad, but its not the reason we are giving up 2nd half leads and losing games.

We are playing NOT to lose, instead of playing to WIN. We need to throw that crap out the window and run the freaking offense to win games. Stop playing not to have turnovers. That puts zero confidense in your players when you stop playing your offense because you are afraid of turnovers. Plus, teams are making adjustments to stop us in the 2nd half, taking away what we are able to do in the 1st half. where are our adjustments to the defense?? We seem to have one way of playing and if the team stops us, well then we are done. No adjustments what so ever. I dont want to hear about the line play, we all agree they are no where near as good as they would if Jansen and Thomas were playing. But we dont have scrubs playing either. Wade, Fabini, Demulling we are starters for several years.

Coaches seem to need to adjust to the game at hand and they dont seem to be doing that.

You're acting like prior to yesterday we've had zero issues along the OL.

Fact is along with missing two starters on the right side, Kendall is brand spanking new on the left side, and the adjustment period of plugging in new starters each week has undoubtedy hurt our ability to get some chemistry going.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

#56fanatic,

In the GB game, we were not playing a conservative game in the 2nd half. Moss dropped a 55 yard bomb and fumbled on a reverse in the second half. Those are just two plays that cannot be called conservative. I don't know of anyone who said the coaches called a conservative game against GB; I think the consensus was that the execution was simply awful.

In the Arizona game, we got 14 points off of turnovers (7 directly by the defense) in the first half. Our playcalling was pretty much the same in both halves. So, I don't think you can say we were going for the throat in the first half and then went "full-flaps" in the second half.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

The difference is, Brunell never even looked downfield until the game was all but lost, and he couldn't possibly be blamed for giving it away. Campbell takes shots downfield, and even on a few plays yesterday, you could see Campbell looking deep before checking down.

Brunell also had the benefit of a receiver that had a chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. Campbell is dealing with the same receiver, but he's become a headcase that forgot how to make plays.

Watching on TV its hard to tell what the QB has as far as open WR's. I know when I was at the Giants game JC missed allot of opportunities down field. At this point I don't know if its the coaches or JC that is not getting the ball farther down field or maybe its a compination of both.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You're acting like prior to yesterday we've had zero issues along the OL.

Fact is along with missing two starters on the right side, Kendall is brand spanking new on the left side, and the adjustment period of plugging in new starters each week has undoubtedy hurt our ability to get some chemistry going.

No, we have had line issues since the beginning of year, (2nd game). I acknowledge that. I just can't keep making excuses for the line because of injuries. I think we are all smart enough to realize it has and will hinder our ability as an offensive unit. But if the line was so bad(like everyone is saying) then we wouldn't be able to move the ball and score points at all. Which that is not the case. We move the ball well enough to score 14 to 17 points in the first half, then all of the sudden it stops?? I dont think that is the case.

i think it has more to do with the "lets not lose this game" mentality.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

hahaha firstdown are you catching feelings from last weeks post about fan behavior? lighten up buddy, were on the same team!!!

It was not said towards you but your right it was not needed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

No, we have had line issues since the beginning of year, (2nd game). I acknowledge that. I just can't keep making excuses for the line because of injuries. I think we are all smart enough to realize it has and will hinder our ability as an offensive unit. But if the line was so bad(like everyone is saying) then we wouldn't be able to move the ball and score points at all. Which that is not the case. We move the ball well enough to score 14 to 17 points in the first half, then all of the sudden it stops?? I dont think that is the case.

i think it has more to do with the "lets not lose this game" mentality.

If we had 1 injury I wouldn't make any excuses. But c'mon, when you have 3 starters out and another guy in Kendall is new, if you really expect the offense to be clicking you need to step away from the pipe.

Not sure what game you were watching yesterday, but I didn't see us moving the ball well all day long, not just in the 2nd half.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

No, we have had line issues since the beginning of year, (2nd game). I acknowledge that. I just can't keep making excuses for the line because of injuries. I think we are all smart enough to realize it has and will hinder our ability as an offensive unit. But if the line was so bad(like everyone is saying) then we wouldn't be able to move the ball and score points at all. Which that is not the case. We move the ball well enough to score 14 to 17 points in the first half, then all of the sudden it stops?? I dont think that is the case.

i think it has more to do with the "lets not lose this game" mentality.

Besides the Arizona game, do you (or anyone else) actually think the play-calling has been conservative? Aside from yesterday's game, JC has been going deep pretty often and certainly far more than any Washington QB has in years. JC has connected on all of the deep attempts (see JC to Moss against Philly, JC to Moss against GB, JC to ARE against NYG), but he's certainly trying. In fact, until yesterday, the vast majority of posters who commented on our offense said it was so nice to deep passing attempts.

So, my question to everyone is, do people really think our offense has been conservative this season as a whole, or just in yesterday's game?

[The Zimmermans]

Yes, we run a very very conservative offense....any person who sits next to me and watches the game as a non-redskin fan always says how boring and conservative we are

[The Zimmermans]

It seems that all of us have biased views cause we watch our skins every week...instead of seeing other teams around the league