Why Tom Brady is a complete and utter d-bag and the Pats have no class

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont see the point. Not all NFL franchises live and breathe the unfortunate passing of a TRUE REDSKIN. Because Tom Brady gets on the refs doesn't diminish the fact he is the best QB in the NFL right now and will probably go down as one of the best if not the best. Michael Jordon would always complain to the refs, does that make him a complete and utter d-bag? I think not. The guy has the fire and desire to win that I wish some of our guys would show. You are hating on the Pats because they whipped our boys so bad, it looked like a NFL team vs MIT. Why should they have to say anything about Sean, especially if no one asks them? that is just thinking the NFL should sucome to the same grief we all have felt in the last week, it is not going to happen.

I can't stand the pats at all, dispise them, but they are the best team in the NFL, and maybe best ever. The refs had nothing to do with them winning that game, the Ravens players and coaches took care of that. You should read some articles in the Baltimore and DC papers, no one is blaming the refs. How about stepping up and making a play instead of penalties??

They are not even close to the best team ever.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Redskin

They are not even close to the best team ever.

Well they have the stats which say other wise and like them or not its just a fact that they very well could go down as one of the best. Just look at their stats and ours from 1992 Superbowl year when our O was putting up great numbers and they passed most of them a couple weeks ago.

[Cowell]

I was thinking last night while watching the game how stuck up the Patriots seem to be. There are many incidents and I could sit here for an hour at least telling you why they are all about a bunch of punks but I won't because we all know. I know I will continue to root against them the rest of the season and I would love to see pretty much anyone beat them.

[12thMan]

Let's face it, when they get to the playoffs anything can happen.

Just ask San Diego.

[redsk1]

No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.

[Rajmahal33]

A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.

So by your example if I'm a runner and I'm way out front on a record pace then I should slow down and conserve myself and not try to get the record? Your example of the Colts was great but they fell even though they did what is I guess was to save themself for the playoffs. Does it cheaping the game when a bunch of old guys get together and celebrate a team loosing so they can keep the record? What is wrong with wanting to set some records and maybe going down as one of the greatest teams to play the game. I don't think people here would have a problem if it was the skins.

[prinzeofmoval]

is it me or do people not notice how to stop brady?okay when they blitz and brought pressure brady was like the go to girl in high school....(always on his back)..then within the last five minutes they just stop blitzing?look if you asked mccallister and rolle could they handle moss and stallworth single coverage while we bring hell fire to brady? they'll say heck yeah..so pittsburgh i think will take them out

[dblanch66]

Bottom line: 12-0. I'd like to be 12-0. I might even be a little arrogant if I was. Stop all the whining. And to bring up Sean Taylor out of the blue would have been weird. The Pats are just playing football. Getting away with what they can (like any other team) and going for stats and records. Big deal. They don't care if opposing fans, like us, appreciate them. THEIR fans love them and that's all that matters. Kinda like us Redskin fans. Everyone at the bar I go to hates us, cause we sing and are usually the largest and loudest group. We don't give a shit what they think. It's all the same crap. I just don't care that much about the Pats and the surrounding drama.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Redskin

They are not even close to the best team ever.

I'm sick of people calling the Patriots, 89 niners, 85 Bears, etc. as the best teams ever. In my opinion the best team/teams ever where the Steelers of the 70's those teams kicked ass and pounded you to a pulp. Nothing compares to those teams and this is coming from one of the biggest Redskins fan!!

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Tha Posse

I totally agree, good post. I can't stand the pats at all. Also did you see Rodney Harrison get in coach Billicks face, isn't that a flag?? Taunting anyone!!!!!! I guess that only counts if your London Fletcher and between the hashes. Complete BS

I don't really give a $hit about Rodney Harrison. have repeatedly heard he's a dirty player, cocky, etc. But this is Billick. Does anyone epitomize arrogant and cocky more than Billick? He deserved the Taunt from Harrison, and Harrison deserved the kiss that Billick blew him!

F..k 'em both.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redsk1

No offense...but what is this thread about. The Pats don't have to mention anything about ST after the game. It doesn't offend me.

I don't think any one of us would be complaining about Tom Brady if he was a redskin. The guy is good.

I gotta agree with you here. Unless I missed something and Brady was specifically asked about Taylor and chose not to answer, then I don't see what the big deal is.

[Skinner]

Great post.I absolutely hate the Patriots with a passion! I have hated them since 2001. They are arrogant assholes, just like their coach. The refs in last nights game obviously were patriot fans, the gave the game to new england.

[Skinner]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

A few years ago when the Colts were in pursuit of perfection and they started out 13-0 (eventually losing to the Steelers in the playoffs), I never got the feel that going undefeated was their ultimate goal. You could still tell that Peyton and the others wanted to win a Superbowl no matter what way they did it. If that meant resting players who were injured or not using all of their energy in a game that they are already winning by 28 points then so be it. Similarly, when Peyton was breaking Marino's record there were LOADS of times when he would get down on the goal line in the 4th and sometimes 3rd quarter of a blowout game, run 3 times, and kick a FG. I know this for a fact cuz he was my fantasy QB that year and i was praying many times that he would throw it in while watching the live gametracker. U never got the sense that he was trying to break the record. He was just trying to win the game (and ultimately win a championship).

With Brady and the Pats, you can CLEARLY see that they are doing it for the stats and glory. Brady throws it 50 times a game in a blowout. They leave their starters in way past the point when the game is in reach. That rubs ppl the wrong way. Whether it is the players, other coaches, or fans, people don't like it b/c it cheapens the game that we love PERIOD It is also classless. I think thats the best way to put it (about Belicheat, Brady, and the Pats)...cheap and classless. I also don't see how it can be a "perfect" season when you are caught videotaping and BLATANTLY violating the rules of the game.

EXACTLY!!

[ace2717]

Amidst all your ranting, you have all seem to forgotten a number of things.
1. If anyone actually happened to watch the entire game, you will recall that one of the Pats DB’s was tackled during Boller’s hail mary pass at the end of the game, was offensive pass interference called? No. Had Baltimore scored on that play, none of your arguments would have any validity .
2. On the play towards the end of the game, when defensive holding was called on a pass intended for Ben Watson in the endzone, not only was he initially held (I don’t care how subtle it was, it still happened), but he was also clearly bumped in the back before the pass got there.
3. With respect to the refs making calls beneficial to the Pats that turned the game, this happens in the NFL all the time. Recall during the AFC championship game last year (Pats/Colts) when the ref called “face guarding” on Ellis Hobbs in the endzone, which led to a crucial Colts touchdown which turned the game? What about the year before in the Divisional round (Pats/Broncos), when there were multiple questionable defensive pass interference calls against the Pats. I can pinpoint a thousand more, but I am sure it would just bore you. Every team is the victim of bad calls, and the beneficiary of good calls. Its part of the NFL. Deal with it. You just have to make enough plays to overcome it.
4. Lets talk about class for a minute here. Have you heard about the commercial Peyton Manning turned down? Neither have I. The only commercial Brady accepted, he would refuse to do unless his entire O-line was in it as well.
5. I’m sure it was the refs fault, too, when Rex Ryan called a timeout before Brady was stopped on 4th and 1, right?
6. With regard to Brady complaining to the refs in-game, he is the epitome of a competitor, enough said.
7. How did the refs screw up the Pats 52-7 spanking of the Skins earlier in the season? I look forward to reading everyone’s excuses.
8. Everyone on this board would be proud to have Tom Brady as the quarterback of the Skins, and you would defend him in times like this. And you all know it.
9. The Patriots are 12-0. They are the best team in the league, arguably the best in history (especially with the parity of free agency), and everyone outside of New England is having a hard time accepting it. Instead of looking at yourself and your own team, you criticize another to reflect the blame. Instead of saying “What am I doing wrong?” the only thing you are able to do is criticize others. But the matter of fact is the Skins are 5-7 and are most likely going to miss the playoffs. Yet the only group receiving criticism is the best team in the league. Now ask yourself, does this make any sense whatsoever?


P.S.
As Saddened, angered, a depressed I felt after hearing about the tragic death of Sean Taylor (may he rest in peace) his name does not belong in this discussion.