THIS Years Free Agent Class Is Incredible!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NFLNetwork

I know its early, but there are 3 very good corners on the market this upcoming season (Marcus Trufant, Asante Samuel, & D'angelo Hall)...Should we look to invest considering Spring is prob gone after this season?? More importantly, will we have enough to invest in one of these guys with our current cap situation

I don't want any of these guys. We need a pass rusher and we need some O-line help.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't want any of these guys. We need a pass rusher and we need some O-line help.

Given that we have money tied up in Rogers and Smoot over the next few years, and given that Springs is still a Redskin at this point, I agree that it seems very inappropriate to spend lots of money on a corner.

If we do ANYTHING at corner, it would make most sense to draft somebody and bring along as a replacement for Spings.

But even that would be inappropriate in my opinion. We have other needs. Our depth along the offensive line, in addition to the age of our linemen, makes that priority one for me. I'd take a WR over a CB, too.

And given the fact that it makes all the financial sense in the world to cut Phillip Daniels, we're going to need a DE. Unless Daniels wants to drop his salary, then we could keep him, but even that is a stopgap because he's so old.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Given that we have money tied up in Rogers and Smoot over the next few years, and given that Springs is still a Redskin at this point, I agree that it seems very inappropriate to spend lots of money on a corner.

If we do ANYTHING at corner, it would make most sense to draft somebody and bring along as a replacement for Spings.

But even that would be inappropriate in my opinion. We have other needs. Our depth along the offensive line, in addition to the age of our linemen, makes that priority one for me. I'd take a WR over a CB, too.

And given the fact that it makes all the financial sense in the world to cut Phillip Daniels, we're going to need a DE. Unless Daniels wants to drop his salary, then we could keep him, but even that is a stopgap because he's so old.

Bingo! Schneed you hit it right on the bullseye with your posts.

My personal opinion is we draft Calais Campbell - DE - Miami with our first round pick. Than we go to offensive line and draft the best available lineman (prefer guard over tackle but if a preimere tackle is available first go with talent over position- maybe the guard Eric Young of Tennessee?). Than go with a WR/CB next - whoever is the best available at the time.

I am not too high on switching Springs to safety because he is already getting injured a lot and isn't Safety a much more high impact position as far as hitting goes?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Given that we have money tied up in Rogers and Smoot over the next few years, and given that Springs is still a Redskin at this point, I agree that it seems very inappropriate to spend lots of money on a corner.

If we do ANYTHING at corner, it would make most sense to draft somebody and bring along as a replacement for Spings.

But even that would be inappropriate in my opinion. We have other needs. Our depth along the offensive line, in addition to the age of our linemen, makes that priority one for me. I'd take a WR over a CB, too.

And given the fact that it makes all the financial sense in the world to cut Phillip Daniels, we're going to need a DE. Unless Daniels wants to drop his salary, then we could keep him, but even that is a stopgap because he's so old.

I hope we can keep Daniels. I think he's played really well this year & has stayed healthy too. He is old & doesn't have the speed to get to the passer on most plays but he still manages to if the coverage is there & he's stout v. the run. The rotation w/him moving to DT in passing downs & Wilson or MW at DE has worked pretty well, but you're right that we do need a future every down DE.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I hope we can keep Daniels. I think he's played really well this year & has stayed healthy too. He is old & doesn't have the speed to get to the passer on most plays but he still manages to if the coverage is there & he's stout v. the run. The rotation w/him moving to DT in passing downs & Wilson or MW at DE has worked pretty well, but you're right that we do need a future every down DE.

I know it has been said a thousand times with other players - if we cut Daniels or restrcuture would he do it "for the vet minimum"?

[redsk1]

If the way we do things is that much different than all of the other 31 teams in the league one could either say we're innovative or a failure. I'll give it another year under Gibbs and if we have the same results its been a failure. Then blow it up (for the most part) and start building thru the draft.

This philosophy of paying more $ than anyone else in the league hasn't done anything for us. I'm sure our Capologists at Redskins park knows all of the #'s and has a game plan together, that's really not my worry. My worry is winning. I'm all about being aggressive and spending some $. Let's spend some money wisely though.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

See, I like moves like getting London Fletcher. Let's be fiscally responsible for once, use these draft picks to our advantage and make some shrewd decisions in FA and let's get the team under the cap where it can make moves in a couple of years.

I'm with SS, I'd love to get Talib if he's available.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

See, I like moves like getting London Fletcher. Let's be fiscally responsible for once, use these draft picks to our advantage and make some shrewd decisions in FA and let's get the team under the cap where it can make moves in a couple of years.

I'm with SS, I'd love to get Talib if he's available.

I like this move too. I like the drafting of Blades and let him sit behind the master and take over in few years. This is what we need to do more of. Have quality young guys waiting in the wings.

[freddyg12]

We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.

Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.

I meant 05 of free agency, i.e. following the 04 season, not 06, which is when we signed AA, Loyd et al.

In 05 we signed Rabach, Patten & maybe a couple others to very minimal deals.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I meant 05 of free agency, i.e. following the 04 season, not 06, which is when we signed AA, Loyd et al.

In 05 we signed Rabach, Patten & maybe a couple others to very minimal deals.

Yeah good call. I'd love to see us roll like that this time.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well following the 05 season we did break the bank, we went for Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd, in addition to Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El. They all got $10 million bonuses and only two were worth it. Maybe you meant leading up to the 05 season?

But yeah, last year's approach is certainly ideal for this year. And this time last year, we were in a similar situation from a cap standpoint, so I'd imagine the approach will be similar to this offseason. Not much free agent activity, just one or two key moves.

I would have to say the $ ARE is making does not add up in production. We should not have signed the guy.

Carter? He's our best pass rusher but he's not in the class of some of the top pass rushers in the NFL. So again, not worth the $ he's being paid.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would have to say the $ ARE is making does not add up in production. We should not have signed the guy.

Carter? He's our best pass rusher but he's not in the class of some of the top pass rushers in the NFL. So again, not worth the $ he's being paid.

Carter's not being paid like a premeir pass rusher. He got a $10 million signing bonus, total contract value worth $5-6 million per year. Take a look at the contracts of a guy like Dwight Freeney - six years $72 million ($12 million per year with a $30 million bonus).

Carter's being paid "good defensive end" money. Freeney is being paid elite DE money.

ARE is debatable and I agree we're probably overpaying a bit, but not by that much. Do I need to pull contract values on elite WRs? I don't think we're overpaying by enough to label him as a bust. I'll compromise with you and call him a mild disappointment so far.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

We're going to sign at least a couple guys during the f. agency period. It's a question of how much is the danny going to spend. I like this past year's signings as well as 05. In those years we picked up a couple starters but didn't break the bank & try to buy a title.

As long as we do sign guys with mimimal signing bonuses that is fine with me. I just don't see giving out $8-$10 million dollar signing bonuses (and that is what is going to be required if not more to sign the 3 elite corners mentioned on this thread earlier as well as other high profile free agents) as a prudent move. Free Agency should not be the main method to build the team - use it for a couple of players here and there or better termed "final pieces" but to unload the bank to get most of your front line players is a ticking time bomb. When you sign big name players you have to go through all the contract restructurings in subsequent years to get under the cap and find extra room to sign other players. Plus often you have to let home grown talent (Antonio Pierce comes to mind) go when you don't have enough room to reward your own players.