Your MVP this year?

[irish]

It has to be Collins. The only reason Portis and the WRs are now succeeding is because TC keeps things moving fast on O. Without him at the helm this team would never be in the playoff drivers seat.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

It has to be Collins. The only reason Portis and the WRs are now succeeding is because TC keeps things moving fast on O. Without him at the helm this team would never be in the playoff drivers seat.

Todd Collins certainly deserves a lot of credit and may deserve the MVP, but I'm not so sure 1 of 22 starters is the sole reason why this team is in the playoff seat. Collins isn't the RB running harder lately. Collins isn't the O-lineman who suddenly decided to open running lanes. Collins isn't the guy getting open on routes (e.g., Cooley running free for a TD against Minny) and grabbing balls that could easily be intercepted by opposing DBs (e.g., Moss' TD catch against Minny). Collins didn't stuff AP for 27 yards or force turnovers.

And though Collins didn't make any big mistakes against the G-men, I don't think he singlehandedly won us that game either. If I recall, Collins completed the fewest passes for a team that won the game since WWII. That was Portis and the D who won that game.

I love what Collins has done and he should start the rest of the way, but to give all of the credit for a possible playoff appearance to a guy who has played in 3 games and played really well in just 2 is unfair. This TEAM has put itself in position to win. All phases of the game are in better shape than they were 4 weeks ago and THAT is why we are in position for a playoff appearance.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Todd Collins certainly deserves a lot of credit and may deserve the MVP, but I'm not so sure 1 of 22 starters is the sole reason why this team is in the playoff seat. Collins isn't the RB running harder lately. Collins isn't the O-lineman who suddenly decided to open running lanes. Collins isn't the guy getting open on routes (e.g., Cooley running free for a TD against Minny) and grabbing balls that could easily be intercepted by opposing DBs (e.g., Moss' TD catch against Minny). Collins didn't stuff AP for 27 yards or force turnovers.

And though Collins didn't make any big mistakes against the G-men, I don't think he singlehandedly won us that game either. If I recall, Collins completed the fewest passes for a team that won the game since WWII. That was Portis and the D who won that game.

I love what Collins has done and he should start the rest of the way, but to give all of the credit for a possible playoff appearance to a guy who has played in 3 games and played really well in just 2 is unfair. This TEAM has put itself in position to win. All phases of the game are in better shape than they were 4 weeks ago and THAT is why we are in position for a playoff appearance.

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

From where I come from MVPs are individual players and this thread asked about the MVP.

This team was going nowhere and then Collins comes in and gets an offense (that was otherwise pathetic) moving and moving well, wins all his starts which puts the Skins in the drivers seat for their playoff chances. On a team of players that have underachieved (for various reasons too numerous to list here) all season to finally have a player overachieve is great and thats why he gets my vote.

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I think his point was that it's hard to attribute all that success to Collins alone (your reason for him being MVP.)

I'm all for TC - he's been awesome and has proved himself an incredibly valuable member of the team as a stand-in QB and a mentor to Campbell.

Attributing the teams success to Collins and Collins alone is treading on Post Hoc territory. It's like arguing that when I walked outside, it started raining, therefore my walking outside CAUSED the rain.

Yeah, the timing is odd and makes you wonder, but you can hardly attribute causal power for the entire team turning around to Collins' play.

Walking outside and rain have nothing to do with each other at any level. A new QB playing well and a team that was losing now starting to win can easily be connected.

I'm not saying TC's doing it all but he's been the catalyst.

[redskinz79]

The MVP is our Defense without a question. And one man standing out on Defense day in and day out is Fletcher. He has been the rock in the core of our Monster D.

[MTK]

I honor of Taylor, I would give him the MVP. His tragic death has been the team's rallying cry.

[NYCSkin]

Bubba Tyer for his work this year as head trainer/hamstring pull healer.

But if we're picking a player--I would say Chris Cooley. He's been a stud all year and our #1 offensive option due to our deficiencies at WR. Whether it is Campbell or Collins as QB; Cooley has served as their ultimate security blanket, especially on 3rd down and in the red zone.

[skinsguy]

Daniel Snyder for taking the entire club down to Florida to be at Sean's funeral.

[mheisig]

Just another quick note, not that I'm hating on TC, but NFL.com doesn't even rank him among the QBs in the NFL because he apparently hasn't averaged 14 or more passes per game.

The guy's been awesome, but you're going to pick as an MVP a guy who plays the last quarter of the season and technically isn't not even ranked from a stats standpoint?

[SmootSmack]

Todd Wade. Ever since he's taken a seat on the bench our O-line has been rock solid opening up so many options for our offense

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Todd Wade. Ever since he's taken a seat on the bench our O-line has been rock solid opening up so many options for our offense

Wade was my second choice.

[Monksdown]

Dan Snyder, the moment he walked on the field last week. We needed that, we really did. Well done.

[SFREDSKIN]

ESPN selected Taylor as our MVP ESPN - One man's picks for an MVP on every team - NFL

[dmek25]

smooty, did you write that article? and i guess my choice for redskins M.V.P would have to be London Fletcher. the skins defense was ranked in the bottom 5 last year. and now are ranked 12th. while the defense has bended in some games, for the most part it hasnt broke. and i think Fletcher is 3rd in the entire league in tackles. no way Collins is, with all of 3 games under his belt