Ready for the West Coast?

70Chip · 01-30-2008, 10:33 AM

Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times

WestCoastSkinsFan · 01-30-2008, 11:07 AM

My username has never been more appropriate than in this thread.

Seriously though, I'm probably the most worried about our WRs, simply because I'm was the most worried about them before. It's the whole consistency factor, which it looks like multiple folks have brought up. You can't have inconsistency when you're needing a bunch of short completions.

BDBohnzie · 01-30-2008, 11:11 AM

At this second, Campbell is the least prepared. Everyone else have routes and assignments that can be quickly learned and executed. Campbell has to know it all. And while I do not doubt that he'll pick it up and be ready to go, I still have to put him under the bus as of 30 January 2008 at 10:12am.

bigmarley4 · 01-30-2008, 11:40 AM

I voted for QB. I'm not so worried about the intelligence factor in Campbell grasping the system...I'm more concerned with his inability to get rid of the ball quickly and his inaccuracy at short/medium-range passes. If Zorn works with him all offseason, perhaps these concerns will be mitigated by training camp.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 01-30-2008, 11:45 AM

I'm going to go with JC and the QBs. ARE and Moss aren't big guys who like going over the middle and getting wailed on, but they have shown the ability to juke and run after the catching balls within 10 yards of the LOS. I'd like a new #2 WR and to put ARE in the slot and I have reservations about our WRs being able to go through a season relatively injury-free, but I don't think our WR corps is necessarily a glaring weakness even with the switch to the WCO.

I have more reservations about Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell played in a WCO in college, but I'm wondering whether that success translates into the NFL. As many others have noted, JC has a slow release and I wonder whether NFL-caliber DBs, who are both smart and fast, will be picking off JC left and right.

ArtMonkDrillz · 01-30-2008, 12:17 PM

IF we keep Lloyd, will he actually be able to contribute in the WCO?

(j/k, sort of...)

dmek25 · 01-30-2008, 04:49 PM

i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright

GTripp0012 · 01-30-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright

What you speak of is known as the "unsuccessful" WCO.

That's not what Zorn's bringing with him. I hope.

erik2680 · 01-30-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If this is supposed to be a link to something, please explain!!

You nee 10 posts before you can post a link.

Edit like some have pointed out already Jason Campbell has already been in a west coast type offense before so he should do really well.

QBall · 01-30-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by erik2680

You have to have 10 posts before you can post a link

Do you like ZORN? What can we expect?

erik2680 · 01-30-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by QBall

Do you like ZORN? What can we expect?

Yes I like Jim Zorn

with in the next year or two I will take the redskins to win their division in Las Vegas

SmootSmack · 01-31-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months.

Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote:

''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.''

PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times

Lots of verbiage eh? Uh oh...

Jason Campbell's Enunciation - D.C. Sports Bog

prinzeofmoval · 01-31-2008, 12:39 AM

Offensive line..its been apparent that winning teams have defensive and offensive lines

Oakland Red · 01-31-2008, 05:43 AM

Sports 2000 Trends - West Coast offense 101

Bill Walsh, discussing the "West Coast Offense" in 1999:

It did not surprise me that four of the six highest-rated quarterbacks of 1998 played in a West Coast-style offense: Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, John Elway and Neil O'Donnell. They excel in it because they are great touch passers, which is key in a passing scheme that relies on the precision of the quarterback's throwing rather than the strength of his arm.

Although the offense will raise the completion percentage of just about any quarterback, some are better suited to running it than others. Joe Montana was a master, and so is Young. I think someone like Ryan Leaf, who is a fine athlete, would excel in the West Coast offense, even though at 6-5, 240 he is a much larger man than Montana or Young.

The size of the quarterback is not as important as his athleticism. Kerry Collins is the same size as Leaf, but I have doubts about his ability to excel in this offense. Mobility is key to West Coast success, and Collins just isn't real mobile. He also isn't what I would call a good 'touch' passer, a requirement in an offense that calls for a lot of short and medium passes.

View Poll Results: What Unit Is Least Prepared for the West Coast Offense?
Running Back	9	7.14%
Offensive Line	26	20.63%
Quarterback	57	45.24%
Tight End	1	0.79%
Wide Receiver	33	26.19%
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01-30-2008, 10:33 AM	#46
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Ready for the West Coast? Saunders ran elements of the West Coast offense, so I don't think it will be a big deal for anyone. The biggest change for everyone may be the words. The language of the West Coast offense is extremely verbose. Instead of numbered passing routes they all have names. I know Campbell ran some West Coast at Auburn, but that was probably pretty limited compared to what Zorn will be looking to implement. So, Campbell and his receivers need to get that aspect of things figured out here in the next few months. Here's an article where West Coast guru Paul Hackett described the verbiage as "tongue twisting". Here's an excerpted quote: ''With this offense, there's so much verbiage, you've got to make it happen,'' Hackett said earlier this season, launching into an example of a typical pass play: ''Wide right, b right, scat 322, y stick, x train. That's what you've got to be able to do.'' PRO FOOTBALL; Jets Take Tongue Twisters Out of Carter's Play Calls - New York Times __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

01-30-2008, 11:07 AM	#47
WestCoastSkinsFan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 42 Posts: 232	Re: Ready for the West Coast? My username has never been more appropriate than in this thread. Seriously though, I'm probably the most worried about our WRs, simply because I'm was the most worried about them before. It's the whole consistency factor, which it looks like multiple folks have brought up. You can't have inconsistency when you're needing a bunch of short completions.

01-30-2008, 11:11 AM	#48
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: Ready for the West Coast? At this second, Campbell is the least prepared. Everyone else have routes and assignments that can be quickly learned and executed. Campbell has to know it all. And while I do not doubt that he'll pick it up and be ready to go, I still have to put him under the bus as of 30 January 2008 at 10:12am. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

01-30-2008, 11:40 AM	#49
bigmarley4 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 219	Re: Ready for the West Coast? I voted for QB. I'm not so worried about the intelligence factor in Campbell grasping the system...I'm more concerned with his inability to get rid of the ball quickly and his inaccuracy at short/medium-range passes. If Zorn works with him all offseason, perhaps these concerns will be mitigated by training camp.

01-30-2008, 11:45 AM	#50
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Ready for the West Coast? I'm going to go with JC and the QBs. ARE and Moss aren't big guys who like going over the middle and getting wailed on, but they have shown the ability to juke and run after the catching balls within 10 yards of the LOS. I'd like a new #2 WR and to put ARE in the slot and I have reservations about our WRs being able to go through a season relatively injury-free, but I don't think our WR corps is necessarily a glaring weakness even with the switch to the WCO. I have more reservations about Campbell. Admittedly, Campbell played in a WCO in college, but I'm wondering whether that success translates into the NFL. As many others have noted, JC has a slow release and I wonder whether NFL-caliber DBs, who are both smart and fast, will be picking off JC left and right.

01-30-2008, 12:17 PM	#51
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Ready for the West Coast? IF we keep Lloyd, will he actually be able to contribute in the WCO? (j/k, sort of...) __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

01-30-2008, 04:49 PM	#52
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Ready for the West Coast? i didnt vote. i despise the west coast offense. its like an instant sleeping pill, if your watching it. 3 yards here. 5 yards there. in my opinion, the worst thing ever happened to football. with that out of the way, i think Campbell ran the west coast his senior year at auburn. so he should be alright __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-31-2008, 12:39 AM	#58
prinzeofmoval Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 432	Re: Ready for the West Coast? Offensive line..its been apparent that winning teams have defensive and offensive lines __________________ I laugh at you Colt Brennan haters. You're the same guys who didn't wanna bench Brunell for Campbell. The tables will turn.

01-31-2008, 05:43 AM	#59
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: Ready for the West Coast? Sports 2000 Trends - West Coast offense 101 Bill Walsh, discussing the "West Coast Offense" in 1999: It did not surprise me that four of the six highest-rated quarterbacks of 1998 played in a West Coast-style offense: Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, John Elway and Neil O'Donnell. They excel in it because they are great touch passers, which is key in a passing scheme that relies on the precision of the quarterback's throwing rather than the strength of his arm. Although the offense will raise the completion percentage of just about any quarterback, some are better suited to running it than others. Joe Montana was a master, and so is Young. I think someone like Ryan Leaf, who is a fine athlete, would excel in the West Coast offense, even though at 6-5, 240 he is a much larger man than Montana or Young. The size of the quarterback is not as important as his athleticism. Kerry Collins is the same size as Leaf, but I have doubts about his ability to excel in this offense. Mobility is key to West Coast success, and Collins just isn't real mobile. He also isn't what I would call a good 'touch' passer, a requirement in an offense that calls for a lot of short and medium passes.

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