Al Gore lays down green challenge to America

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't think anything is impossible for us production-wise. Looking back at our country's history we see numerous situations that were very nearly impossible logitics-wise to overcome but we've always used our number one resource to conquer. Smarts. Given a motivated populous and even more motivated gov't I believe we could re-infrastructure in Gore's 10 years. The bigger questions are how do we really motivate everyone, how much are we willing to sacrifice, and what are the RIGHT solutions for tomorrow and beyond?

Very good points, and those are exactly the kind of tough questions that need to be answered by the two candidates in the upcoming political race. I think the motivation by the populace is rapidly becoming more evident, the higher prices that we are paying at the pump are trickling down into the prices we pay for goods and ultimately services.

This has already started to show in certain areas, Budweiser bought by In-Bev. Coke is already on record as saying it wants to save $500 million in the next two years, which means a buyout for it could be forthcoming. As we lose more and more American icons to foreign investors, as more American jobs are outsourced, and as more Americans' daily lives are affected, these could be the motivating factors for the sacrifice necessary. Perhaps, just a theory...

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's simply you trying to justify to yourself why it's OK to turn a blind eye to the energy crisis.

I happen to ride my bike to work most days . I never stated using alternative fuels , wind , solar ect. are not what we should be doing . We should be exporting coal , drilling for gas and Natural gas . If you want to follow a man who live's like a king telling you to not have the comforts he enjoys , more power to you .

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's good. It's just frustrating to hear people let themselves get distracted from an issue that costs us all so much real money out of our pockets. Nobody should care whether Al Gore's a hypocrite when he's laying out a plan that could ultimately save each American household $2000 a year or more.

Would you like a $2000 raise? (rhetorical directed at everyone, not you Jsarno) I know I would. And hell, if I need to watch Al Gore on TV every single night on the news to get it, it's worth it.

How do you get 2,000 per year ? This coming from a socialist who wanted to keep the income tax rate at 70 % in 1981 and wanted raise cap gaines tax ,, at 39% ? IN 1996 he told Virginian's that we should " be ashamed " for wanting the car tax reduced ? He is against Nuke power ,Drilling for oil and Nat. gas at home ? He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us ,,, screw him . I agree with you that the "issue" is most important , But most of us do not care to have a self centered lying Ass telling us to live below his standards .

[saden1]

Originally Posted by budw38

How do you get 2,000 per year ? This coming from a socialist who wanted to keep the income tax rate at 70 % in 1981 and wanted raise cap gaines tax ,, at 39% ? IN 1996 he told Virginian's that we should " be ashamed " for wanting the car tax reduced ? He is against Nuke power ,Drilling for oil and Nat. gas at home ? He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us ,,, screw him . I agree with you that the "issue" is most important , But most of us do not care to have a self centered lying Ass telling us to live below his standards .

See, you were making some sense and then you blew it with the highlighted segment. Now I'll have to verify if anything you actually wrote is credible...I'm feeling kinda lazy right now so I'm going to assume it's not and write you off as an idiot.

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by budw38

He says that China should have NO emissions standards because they are a " developing " nation ? China is 7,000 years older than us ,,, screw him .

China's status as a developing nation has nothing to do with the age of the culture and civilization. Here's a breakdown from wikipedia on development.

"Development entails a modern infrastructure (both physical and institutional), and a move away from low value added sectors such as agriculture and natural resource extraction. Developed countries, in comparison, usually have economic systems based on continuous, self-sustaining economic growth in the tertiary and quaternary sectors and high standards of living."

China is probably better categorized as an emerging country. As far as emissions standards for other countries, I think the history of our nation shows that we probably should focus on our own environmental efforts. This way we can lead from the forefront, instead of shrinking into a "They're not doing it, why should we" argument that neither deals with the issue or generates any positive dialogue.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

"Mr. Buster, where the f--- you at? Can't scrap or lick, so I know you got yo gat." Hilarious.

Schneed pointed this out already, but switching the source of energy production from fossil fuels to renewables means Gore can keep his house and still be green. So his energy consumption has nothing to do with this conversation. Pointing out that Gore's energy consumption is higher than usual, while usually a somewhat dishonest attempt to obfuscate an important issue, is in this case completely irrelevant.

And I love how you respect buster enough to call him Mr. but Gore is just Al. I mean, I don't care about the latter but you are seriously killing me with the Mr. Buster.

Interesting........you seem to be a little.............sensitive on the Al issue? To much caffeine....or truth?

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Interesting........you seem to be a little.............sensitive on the Al issue? To much caffeine....or truth?

You just dropped too much truth on me MR. Hog, and I lost my mind.

And what is the Al issue? The fact that there is a so called "Al issue" is what's wrong with this thread, imo.

[Monkeydad]

CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury : NPR

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

You guys make it sound like Gore is burning barrels of oil in his yard. He lives in a mansion, which uses more electricity than a not-mansion. He's not riding around the country on a coal-powered bicycle, OK?

And Jsarno, you are confused about what we are discussing. This isn't about Gore reducing his home's dependence on fossil fuels - which means nothing more than the symbolic - it's about America completely changing its infrastructure, for both security and environmental reasons. So when you question whether or not Gore has done "it" yet, I question if you understand what we are talking about here, because that response makes no sense to me.

No Gore and his wife own several very, very large homes, a private jet, a fleet of large cars etc... ect... He needs to start at home and then start preacing to us and what we should do in our lives. I don't have a problem with what he says only with how he does not even follow his own advise.

[firstdown]

For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.

I really don't care who the message comes from to be honest. I only wish that Bush would step up and say these sort of things.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.

Wow, nothing like making baseless statements like that one...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For all of you that say listen to the message and do not focus on the messenger are probably people that voted for Gore. If Bush was doing the same thing you guy's would be bashing hime all over the place.

If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.

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FYI

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

If Bush was doing the same thing? You mean living like a rich person? He is. He does. I've never heard anyone anywhere criticize Bush for his carbon footprint. Being a great leader is about having an aggressive vision for a better future and articulating it, and sometimes asking the public to make sacrifices and changes in the name of what's right. Bush hasn't done that, and that's the problem.

Bush is not the person who says the world is coming to an end thats Gore so he is not being hipocritical which was my point.