Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

SmootSmack · 08-29-2008, 01:27 PM

McCain-Palin 2008: John McCain - Sarah Palin 2008

BleedBurgundy · 08-29-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!!

Woman on Woman hate = BAD

Woman on Woman Love = AWESOME.

couldn't resist...

firstdown · 08-29-2008, 01:34 PM

Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.

hesscl34 · 08-29-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!!

You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done..

Monkeydad · 08-29-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Woman on woman hate. Can't we all just get along?!??!!

It must be the jealous catfight effect.

BleedBurgundy · 08-29-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done..

Not a shot at you at all, just a comment: I haven't heard anything similar coming out of the African American community about not wanting a black president, the country's not ready etc... I'm not saying anything here, just an observation on the barriers being broken here and the commentary thereof.

Monkeydad · 08-29-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.

Yep. The Bush administration has put more Hispanics, Blacks and other minorities in HIGH-LEVEL cabinet positions and staff than the Clinton admin...yet Bush is still the racist and Clinton, who had an all-white cabinet is the one who represents minorities.

Aren't stereotypes great?

hesscl34 · 08-29-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Not a shot at you at all, just a comment: I haven't heard anything similar coming out of the African American community about not wanting a black president, the country's not ready etc... I'm not saying anything here, just an observation on the barriers being broken here and the commentary thereof.

Because race is different from gender.

firstdown · 08-29-2008, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hesscl34

You've got it wrong. It's that I don't think MEN are really ready for a woman to lead and the majority will not respect her. They might put on a good face, but behind her back there will be comments and words..etc. The magazine cover is a perfect example. I think it will not be good for the county over all becuase I don't think the county is ready....

OK, that's it.. I'm done..

Maybe you might need to reevaluate the guys you hang around. I don't have a problem with a women as Pres. or VP if they are the right person for the job and hold my values. I also like to listen to Barry Manalow but I'm not worried about my man hood.

djnemo65 · 08-29-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.

Whose posts are you referring to? Hess's?

FRPLG · 08-29-2008, 01:43 PM

Margaret Thatcher is regarded as a foremost world leader and she went out of power 20 years ago.

I strongly believe that neither race nor gender should not play a role in who is president or vice-president. I also strongly believe that it does. In this case I think we are far more ready as a populous for a woman leader than a black leader. It's crap for sure but I do think it to be the case.

I like this pick. Reservedly though since I know so little of her. If she can reresent herself well against Biden then I think it is a great pick. Her core values fit in with waht many conservative detractors were uncomfortable with McCain. She's a young outside actually known more for leading than "organizing". My fears are that she hasn't been nearly as vetted as other candidates. What skeletons exist?

In that same vein though, I find the notion that "no one knows her" being a negative to be laughable.

We elect incumbents and outsiders for President in this country lately. It is very difficult for insiders to make headway.

Not since Nixon has a true insider been elected. Hell Ford almost lost his own primary and then got trounced by Carter.

It has gone:

Carter (governor)
Reagan (governor)
Bush I (vice-president incumbent)
Clinton (govenor)
Bush (govenor)

It is noteworthy that many of those Presidents ran against insiders too.

In fact I think one thing Obama has going for him in this is that he is so fresh and seen as an outsider. Repubs are doing the darndest to paint that as inexperience but for a good amount of people it actually is a positive.

hesscl34 · 08-29-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe you might need to reevaluate the guys you hang around. I don't have a problem with a women as Pres. or VP if they are the right person for the job and hold my values.

Maybe you need to be more realistics about the majority of the country. I feel lucky to live where I live knowing that women are respected (mostly)... but that is not the case everywhere. You know, like the places she'll be getting the "horndog" vote...

Monkeydad · 08-29-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Because race is different from gender.

Discrimination is equally bad no matter what reason you hold it.

hesscl34 · 08-29-2008, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Margaret Thatcher is regarded as a foremost world leader and she went out of power 20 years ago.

You are talking about a place far older and wiser than the US. I hate to say it but we haven't grown up yet. We are still adolescents in the eyes of the rest of the world. That's not a knock on America, it's just fact.

mheisig · 08-29-2008, 01:46 PM

I don't like McCain or Obama, but frankly I think McCain's VP selection is brilliant compared to Obama's.

Biden seems like nothing but more of the same Washington political garbage.

McCain has managed to solidify his base of evangelicals, pro-lifers and NRA members. Mock them all you want or disagree with them all you want, but you can't deny they make up a massive portion of the vote.

At the same time he's brought in someone young and fresh to combat his decidedly aged image. A pretty face doesn't hurt either. Again, you can disagree all you want, but my experience in marketing and advertising has taught me that a pretty face goes a long way in convincing an audience of a point.

Look how much Obama's youth and charisma have gotten him - McCain getting a dose of that when he's seriously lacking in that area helps tremendously.

I think two things are very interesting about this: assuming Nader doesn't make some kind of surprise end-around, whoever wins the election will make history. First black president or first female vice president any way you slice it. Fascinating.

Second, of the four (Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin), as far as I know Palin is the only one with actual experience running and administrating a government. The other three are Senators and, as far as I know, never spent any time actually running a local or state government.

Once again this race gets very, very interesting. Either way we're watching history in the making.

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firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate Reading these post the people I believe to be democratic from their prior and current post have made sexest and racest type remarks. Funny isn't that what they say consevatives do.

08-29-2008, 01:43 PM	#56
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate Margaret Thatcher is regarded as a foremost world leader and she went out of power 20 years ago. I strongly believe that neither race nor gender should not play a role in who is president or vice-president. I also strongly believe that it does. In this case I think we are far more ready as a populous for a woman leader than a black leader. It's crap for sure but I do think it to be the case. I like this pick. Reservedly though since I know so little of her. If she can reresent herself well against Biden then I think it is a great pick. Her core values fit in with waht many conservative detractors were uncomfortable with McCain. She's a young outside actually known more for leading than "organizing". My fears are that she hasn't been nearly as vetted as other candidates. What skeletons exist? In that same vein though, I find the notion that "no one knows her" being a negative to be laughable. We elect incumbents and outsiders for President in this country lately. It is very difficult for insiders to make headway. Not since Nixon has a true insider been elected. Hell Ford almost lost his own primary and then got trounced by Carter. It has gone: Carter (governor) Reagan (governor) Bush I (vice-president incumbent) Clinton (govenor) Bush (govenor) It is noteworthy that many of those Presidents ran against insiders too. In fact I think one thing Obama has going for him in this is that he is so fresh and seen as an outsider. Repubs are doing the darndest to paint that as inexperience but for a good amount of people it actually is a positive.

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mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 41 Posts: 2,119	Re: Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate I don't like McCain or Obama, but frankly I think McCain's VP selection is brilliant compared to Obama's. Biden seems like nothing but more of the same Washington political garbage. McCain has managed to solidify his base of evangelicals, pro-lifers and NRA members. Mock them all you want or disagree with them all you want, but you can't deny they make up a massive portion of the vote. At the same time he's brought in someone young and fresh to combat his decidedly aged image. A pretty face doesn't hurt either. Again, you can disagree all you want, but my experience in marketing and advertising has taught me that a pretty face goes a long way in convincing an audience of a point. Look how much Obama's youth and charisma have gotten him - McCain getting a dose of that when he's seriously lacking in that area helps tremendously. I think two things are very interesting about this: assuming Nader doesn't make some kind of surprise end-around, whoever wins the election will make history. First black president or first female vice president any way you slice it. Fascinating. Second, of the four (Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin), as far as I know Palin is the only one with actual experience running and administrating a government. The other three are Senators and, as far as I know, never spent any time actually running a local or state government. Once again this race gets very, very interesting. Either way we're watching history in the making. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

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