Liberal Supermajority

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok, I'm not a fan of Obama but I do not agree with your statement.

Which is saying a lot. For you as a Conservative and me as a Liberal. Yes, we can reach across the aisle after all and agree.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Also because at some point, they'd have to pay, I would think? Lots of men were getting treatment but due the folding of many centers back in the day, either fell through the cracks or couldn't go to another hospital (for whatever reason, good or bad).

And even with insurance (which some companies don't even cover) it's a bitch to pay for psych evaluations and a therapist and medicine.

Granted, you do have a point, many don't go out of embarrassment.

Ins co. have to cover this now days and its one reason premiums keep going up because congress mandates that they have to cover allot of illnesses. Thats been one of the things that allot of people say could reduce cost if people could choose their coverages rather than congress mandate what the ins.co. have to cover. Good example would be a person who does not drink or use drugs has to pay for caverage which would provide treatment for acohlo and drug addiction. Why is that mandated by congress when he would not need coverage for this or why do they force me to pay for other coverages I don't feel I need?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ins co. have to cover this now days and its one reason premiums keep going up because congress mandates that they have to cover allot of illnesses. Thats been one of the things that allot of people say could reduce cost if people could choose their coverages rather than congress mandate what the ins.co. have to cover. Good example would be a person who does not drink or use drugs has to pay for caverage which would provide treatment for acohlo and drug addiction. Why is that mandated by congress when he would not need coverage for this or why do they force me to pay for other coverages I don't feel I need?

because you don't know what you'll need... maybe you get hooked on pain pills.. now you can't get fixed since you never paid for it, or you have to get fixed on someone else's dollar.

it's like in galveston - they used to allow you to take money out of your retirement account, so some people did to buy big screen tvs or whatnot, and then b*tched at retirement about not having enough money... so guess what? since 91 or so you can't do that anymore. sometimes people have to be saved from themselves so they don't make a bad decision which ends up affecting others (ie if in this examplbe he became homeless and a tax burden through a direct result his own actions/decisions).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

The $ 250K bar is already creeping down....and Obama hasn't even "picked out the drapes" yet

McCain: Obama's Definition of Rich Is 'Creeping Down' - FOXNews.com Elections

With a supermajority expect an even lower bar for raising taxes.

[saden1]

Hope you don't make more than 150K SS33 or your family just might be headed to the poor house. Hope you ball and shine forever, forever and ever.

[dmek25]

ss33, do you really believe that McCain will not raise your taxes?

[Dirtbag59]

DAMN LIBERALS....and NEOCONS. To be honest I don't like the eithers of you. Heres why (remember I say this with love)

In general:
- Liberals want to fight no one, neocons want to fight everyone
- Liberals want to spend everything, neocons don't want to spend anything unless theres fighting involved
- Liberals want to make everything Go Green, Neocons could care less about the enviornment (Yes I've heard the hunting argument)
- Both support seperate but equal when it comes to gays which is pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
- Liberals are way to soft on major criminals (rapist, murderers, con artist, etc), Neocons are way to hard on minor criminals (the college kid with a bag of pot, statutory rape between people that are around 1 or 2 years apart)
- Liberals blame everything on Bush. To me thats like knowing the answer to a math problem without knowing how to do the work. The most clichey thing to do these days when discussing politics is to blame everything on Bush. Maybe people should learn not to give a party total control over government. Neocons, well their opponent always happens to be the "most liberal canidate EVER." So liberal that America is going to become a socialist country if they get elected.
- Liberals pander to the "middle class" claiming they'll cut the taxes that a lot of them don't pay any taxes as well as a health care system that if truely allowed would be among the worst in the developed world (think DMV), neocons pander to the crazy Christians promising to completly overturn Roe vs Wade as well as possibly introducing school prayer in public institutions (seriously I don't know of any Christians that HAD to pray before school and last I checked you can do it silently without anyone noticing, I know I used to). Not to mention a good amount of the ones not named McCain oppose stem-cell research. A practice that could lead to medical breakthroughs (I think someone already mentioned waiting list in Canada and the US for organs).
- Liberals have Hollywood actors providing political analysis, Neocons have the lady that doesn't trust Obama because "he's an arab." No mam.
- "Change", "Maverick"

All in all I hate extremes to begin with. I think if I had it my way I would have the most moderate politicians in office, but then again we don't live in an ideal world.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Thought this thread deserved a bump since it's now effectively happened with Franken winning the Senate seat in MN.

Let's look at the original predictions from the WSJ, and where we are right now:

WSJ predicts: Medicare for all
Current Situation: Universal Health Care being pushed through Congress, likely approved without bi-partisan support in late summer/early fall.

WSJ predicts: More government control of private economy
Current Situation: Gov't already strong-arms bankruptcies of Chrysler and GM leaving private investors with virtually nothing. Gov't control of GM is 60%, Canadian gov't 12%, IAW 17%. Bail-out $$$ has given the federal government deeper control into the financial industry, to the point of determining executive pay.

WSJ predicts: Union supremacy
Current Situation: Employee Free Choice Act will likely pass easily.
President Tells Unions Organizing Act Will Pass - WSJ.com

WSJ predicts: Cap and Trade (Tax/Regulate)
Current Situation: Crap...ooops...Cap & Trade narrowly passed the House. The Obama Admin will likely use Chicago-style politics to force passage in the Senate on a party line vote. Our only salvation from this will be either Dems in blue-collar states or the two Independents. EPA suppresses Climate Change report that questions (correctly) the junk science of Global Warming.

WSJ predicts: Voting Rights will be stacked towards Dems, led by ACORN.
Current Situation: Bureau of Census will allow ACORN workers to be census-takers. Stimulus bill provided over $ 4B in funding that ACORN is eligible to receive.

Great summary of what would happen with a Dem supermajority IMO:
"In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined."

[SmootSmack]

Who would have ever thought Al Franken would wield this much power

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who would have ever thought Al Franken would wield this much power

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Thought this thread deserved a bump since it's now effectively happened with Franken winning the Senate seat in MN.

Let's look at the original predictions from the WSJ, and where we are right now:

WSJ predicts: Medicare for all
Current Situation: Universal Health Care being pushed through Congress, likely approved without bi-partisan support in late summer/early fall.
WSJ predicts: More government control of private economy
Current Situation: Gov't already strong-arms bankruptcies of Chrysler and GM leaving private investors with virtually nothing. Gov't control of GM is 60%, Canadian gov't 12%, IAW 17%. Bail-out $$$ has given the federal government deeper control into the financial industry, to the point of determining executive pay.

WSJ predicts: Union supremacy
Current Situation: Employee Free Choice Act will likely pass easily.President Tells Unions Organizing Act Will Pass - WSJ.com

WSJ predicts: Cap and Trade (Tax/Regulate)
Current Situation: Crap...ooops...Cap & Trade narrowly passed the House. The Obama Admin will likely use Chicago-style politics to force passage in the Senate on a party line vote. Our only salvation from this will be either Dems in blue-collar states or the two Independents. EPA suppresses Climate Change report that questions (correctly) the junk science of Global Warming.

WSJ predicts: Voting Rights will be stacked towards Dems, led by ACORN.
Current Situation: Bureau of Census will allow ACORN workers to be census-takers. Stimulus bill provided over $ 4B in funding that ACORN is eligible to receive.

Great summary of what would happen with a Dem supermajority IMO:
"In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined."

1) It's about time.
2) Good news--the middle class never thrived more than when union membership was hearty.
3) "Chicago-style" politics. You mean the Obama administration is going to be aggressive? Gee, White House administrations NEVER act like that. ("If you can't stand the heat, boys, . . ." )
4) Amen. The country remains strong because of them.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Thought this thread deserved a bump since it's now effectively happened with Franken winning the Senate seat in MN.

Let's look at the original predictions from the WSJ, and where we are right now:

WSJ predicts: Medicare for all
Current Situation: Universal Health Care being pushed through Congress, likely approved without bi-partisan support in late summer/early fall.

WSJ predicts: More government control of private economy
Current Situation: Gov't already strong-arms bankruptcies of Chrysler and GM leaving private investors with virtually nothing. Gov't control of GM is 60%, Canadian gov't 12%, IAW 17%. Bail-out $$$ has given the federal government deeper control into the financial industry, to the point of determining executive pay.

WSJ predicts: Union supremacy
Current Situation: Employee Free Choice Act will likely pass easily.
President Tells Unions Organizing Act Will Pass - WSJ.com

WSJ predicts: Cap and Trade (Tax/Regulate)
Current Situation: Crap...ooops...Cap & Trade narrowly passed the House. The Obama Admin will likely use Chicago-style politics to force passage in the Senate on a party line vote. Our only salvation from this will be either Dems in blue-collar states or the two Independents. EPA suppresses Climate Change report that questions (correctly) the junk science of Global Warming.

WSJ predicts: Voting Rights will be stacked towards Dems, led by ACORN.
Current Situation: Bureau of Census will allow ACORN workers to be census-takers. Stimulus bill provided over $ 4B in funding that ACORN is eligible to receive.

Great summary of what would happen with a Dem supermajority IMO:
"In both 1933 and 1965, liberal majorities imposed vast expansions of government that have never been repealed, and the current financial panic may give today's left another pretext to return to those heydays of welfare-state liberalism. Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined."

It's not much of a prediction if all they're doing is reading off of the Democrat's agenda book. It's amazing what is being passed off as insightful predictions these days.


p.s. Don't tell anyone this folks but you too can get a piece of that 4 billion dollar pie.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

1) It's about time.
2) Good news--the middle class never thrived more than when union membership was hearty.
3) "Chicago-style" politics. You mean the Obama administration is going to be aggressive? Gee, White House administrations NEVER act like that. ("If you can't stand the heat, boys, . . ." )
4) Amen. The country remains strong because of them.

Do you work for a union? Unions are the downfall of this country. There once was a time and place for unions but in today's day and age the only thing that a union does is protect the LAZY worker. The union is why GM and Chrysler went bankrupt in my opinion. I work in the automotive industry and have been in many union factories and its the same at each factory you see people sitting on their asses and expecting to be paid like kings. The union is bad for this country...

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Do you work for a union? Unions are the downfall of this country. There once was a time and place for unions but in today's day and age the only thing that a union does is protect the LAZY worker. The union is why GM and Chrysler went bankrupt in my opinion. I work in the automotive industry and have been in many union factories and its the same at each factory you see people sitting on their asses and expecting to be paid like kings. The union is bad for this country...

Oh get'off'it. Last time I checked the unions didn't cause the Wall St. meltdown nor were they the reason why GM and Chrysler failed. Better quality product, customer care, and poor management is what killed them but you go ahead and believe what you want about unions.

[Redskins8588]

Maybe not directly but to pay a person $40 -$60/hour just to sit there and watch parts go buy is way too much money. Then to promise that person the wages and insurance when they retire is insane. If you look at and compare the union workers in the ford, gm, and chrysler plants to the honda, hyundi, and toyota plants you will see that the workers in the big three have it much easier. I mean for christ's sakes chrysler wanted to take $20 away from their workers just to put them on the same level as the honda, toyota, and hyundi workers and the union said "NO". Even with the $20 decrease they still were making $25-$40 per hour. I bet that helped out their cause not to go bankrupted. Just recently a transfercase company in Syracuse, NY is shutting down because of the union. The workers voted down a contract 4 times after the company gave each worker $77,000 to help with the decrease of the workers pay by $9. $77,000 just given to you, and yet the people still vote down a contract between the company and the union. Now their will be around 5,000 people with out a job and the union is the middle man. I bet that helps out the economy also...

One more thing unions are why you have to overpay for a vehicle by $10,000 to $15,000...