Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins vs Steelers)

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how aggressive an attack we'll see so long as Samuels isn't fully healthy and more importantly Jansen is playing. I mean I hate saying it because of all he's done for the team over the years but Jansen is an absolute liability on the field.

Jansen got owned last night. Woodley just abused him. Fine. But we were sacking their qb's too. Have Portis chip him a few times. Today's rules beg you to throw it downfield so why not do it 2-3 times a game? They got a PI call so why can't we? No excuse for it and I blame Zorn for that.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Jansen got owned last night. Woodley just abused him. Fine. But we were sacking their qb's too. Have Portis chip him a few times. Today's rules beg you to throw it downfield so why not do it 2-3 times a game? They got a PI call so why can't we? No excuse for it and I blame Zorn for that.

I don't know for sure, but I got the sense that there were times that Campbell wanted to go deep but suddenly had no choice but to just dump it off asap.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know for sure, but I got the sense that there were times that Campbell wanted to go deep but suddenly had no choice but to just dump it off asap.

The Steelers were crowding the line of scrimmage and playing a three deep zone for most of the game. There was a long pass attempt to Thomas, but the DB had him covered deep. There were several plays where the Steelers sent the house, and you could see that the DB's were already 15-20 yards deep, so Campbell had to take a lot of underneath stuff.

I think they should have done a lot more screens and quick slants to make the Steelers pay for leaving the area between 5-10 yards from scrimmage wide open. Pittsburgh seemed content on stopping the run and the deep ball, which is why the majority of the successful plays the offense had were screens and dumpoffs to Cooley and Portis. If anything, they should have stuck with that.

[#56fanatic]

our Fans are so fragile. We got man handled last night, by a very good team. We were tired, beat up and maybe looking to the bye week. The good news is, we were 6-2 in the first half after losing the 1st game. We go 6-2 the second half, thats 12-4!!

To the game, seriously....Carlos has to be tought how to catch the freaking ball. He drops way too many easy int's. I guess that why he isn't a WR, but he has to make that play. That would put us up 13-3, instead of getting the punt blocked and down 10-6. I think its a different game at that point.

2nd, dont give Zorn crap for being Zorn. You loved it when we were winning games and us un-conventional game calling, so dont rag him if we lose. That is the way he is and they way he is going to be win or lose. At this point, starting 6-2 first 8 games, I'll trust him.

3rd - Jon Jansen. funny how people want him in the line up when he is playing awesome the first half of the season. He was not the only one getting beat last night. Samuels was getting beat with speed rush on the outside. Thomas was beat, Rock Cartright was hideous on his blocking attempt. Have you forgotten that our strength is running the ball. We didn't do that last night, fell behind on a couple of plays and basically played into the steelers hands. I think Jansen has played pretty good this year. They confused us, they out muscled us.

Hey, we lost the game. I think we needed the break. I dont think there is any shame in losing to the Steelers, they are a VERY good football team. We are sitting 6-3 right now. Tell me who realistically thought we would have been 6-2 at half way? i sure didn't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

our Fans are so fragile. We got man handled last night, by a very good team. We were tired, beat up and maybe looking to the bye week. The good news is, we were 6-2 in the first half after losing the 1st game. We go 6-2 the second half, thats 12-4!!

Hey, we lost the game. I think we needed the break. I dont think there is any shame in losing to the Steelers, they are a VERY good football team. We are sitting 6-3 right now. Tell me who realistically thought we would have been 6-2 at half way? i sure didn't.

Good points. There's certainly no need to freak out but that's business as usual after a loss. It actually wasn't that bad of a loss in the context of it being an out of conference game. The division games and in conference games are far more critical. This is a team that's been going hard since the beginning of August. I think more than anything they just need a mental break. And of course it will help them physically as well to rest up a bit.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Good points. There's certainly no need to freak out but that's business as usual after a loss. It actually wasn't that bad of a loss in the context of it being an out of conference game. The division games and in conference games are far more critical. This is a team that's been going hard since the beginning of August. I think more than anything they just need a mental break. And of course it will help them physically as well to rest up a bit.

Why make excuses? Sure we're banged up. So is Pittsburgh. They were without a starting safety, two starting O-lineman, and lost their franchise QB for the whole second half. And they beat the snot out of us in our house. It was disgusting. Being dinged up is a weak excuse. Every team in the NFL is hurting by week 9.

We didn't score a TD at home. We didn't score a point in the final 54 minutes of the game. That's awful and inexcusable, especially at home. I don't care how good they are on defense, if we want to be a top tier team in this league we've got to do better than that. And god help us if we weren't focused on this game and thinking about licking our wounds during the bye week. If that's the case, we've got problems.

I'm not suggesting anyone freak out. We've made it through nine games with 6 wins and no horrible injuries. But we better step the eff up, especially offensively, after the bye week.

Carlos- marry the jugs machine. For real. The fact that you have been playing football your whole life and can't catch is just sad man.

Jansen- get the heck outta the starting lineup. I love all you've done for the Skins, but it's painful to watch you get tossed around like a rag doll.

[MTK]

I'm not making excuses, just pointing out some reality.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not making excuses, just pointing out some reality.

It is valid that we're worn out and banged up. But so was our opponent. And they had to play on the road, and without Big Ben the whole second half. So our reality in that regard was as bad as theirs.

I understand losing to a Super Bowl contender and being 6-3 is nothing to hang our heads about, but the fashion in which we got our asses kicked concerns me.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Why make excuses? Sure we're banged up. So is Pittsburgh. They were without a starting safety, two starting O-lineman, and lost their franchise QB for the whole second half. And they beat the snot out of us in our house. It was disgusting. Being dinged up is a weak excuse. Every team in the NFL is hurting by week 9.

We didn't score a TD at home. We didn't score a point in the final 54 minutes of the game. That's awful and inexcusable, especially at home. I don't care how good they are on defense, if we want to be a top tier team in this league we've got to do better than that. And god help us if we weren't focused on this game and thinking about licking our wounds during the bye week. If that's the case, we've got problems.

I'm not suggesting anyone freak out. We've made it through nine games with 6 wins and no horrible injuries. But we better step the eff up, especially offensively, after the bye week.

Carlos- marry the jugs machine. For real. The fact that you have been playing football your whole life and can't catch is just sad man.

Jansen- get the heck outta the starting lineup. I love all you've done for the Skins, but it's painful to watch you get tossed around like a rag doll.

Well done. They are beat up too. We're at home they are not. We're a #5 D they are #1. The Steelers had just as many excuses to lose as we do, but they won.

The Skins do need to step up or we'll be in some trouble. We haven't really played well offensively in some time and we aren't winning consistently at home.

[MTK]

Was it any worse than getting thrashed 52-7 by the Patriots, or 36-0 to NY in 2005?

Both teams recovered to make the playoffs, and this team will too. Good teams get beat, and even get blown out on occassion. It's how the team responds to a loss that's the most important thing.

[SC Skins Fan]

To the Jansen bashers. Didn't we just see last night what we already knew about him? He is vunerable to speed rushers off the edge (a liability compounded by a good 3-4 team with linebackers as good as Woodley and Harrison and a DC like Dick LeBeau). Admittedly I have not been on the site all that much during the first half, but I thought we were willing to live with some of the liabilities that Jansen possesses in order to benefit from his sound run blocking? But now his pass protection is exposed and we want him to fake an injury and retire? You really think Stephon Heyer would have fared much better against Woodley and Harrison last night? Do you base that upon the fact that he got dominated by Tuck in the first game or that he got dominated by the no-name Detroit ends last week? I am just shocked that people are shocked that Jansen struggle to block Pittsburgh's speed rushers. He is what we thought he is, but he is also a better run blocker than Heyer (and I still question how much better Heyer is in pass pro at this point - though someone who has broken down film can enlighten me).

[vallin21]

FANS Are you serious. You let Steeler fans come in to our stadium and wave there stupid towles. Phaethetic

Jansen: Your time as a starting tackle is over, and I can confidently say you will not be here next year as part of the Redskins

[skinsfan69]

We had a bad night. It's not the end of the world. But I want to see us throw more passes downfield to try and score some TD's. The offnese has got to start putting up TD's! If Thomas isn't any good and Kelly is hurt then maybe we need to see Fred Davis on the field. Having Yoder in there isn't doing us any good. We need more playmakers on the field.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Why make excuses? Sure we're banged up. So is Pittsburgh. They were without a starting safety, two starting O-lineman, and lost their franchise QB for the whole second half. And they beat the snot out of us in our house. It was disgusting. Being dinged up is a weak excuse. Every team in the NFL is hurting by week 9.

We didn't score a TD at home. We didn't score a point in the final 54 minutes of the game. That's awful and inexcusable, especially at home. I don't care how good they are on defense, if we want to be a top tier team in this league we've got to do better than that. And god help us if we weren't focused on this game and thinking about licking our wounds during the bye week. If that's the case, we've got problems.

I'm not suggesting anyone freak out. We've made it through nine games with 6 wins and no horrible injuries. But we better step the eff up, especially offensively, after the bye week.

Carlos- marry the jugs machine. For real. The fact that you have been playing football your whole life and can't catch is just sad man.

Jansen- get the heck outta the starting lineup. I love all you've done for the Skins, but it's painful to watch you get tossed around like a rag doll.

amazing how fans can turn into "the sky is falling" after losing one game. Yeah, we got beat, and beat bad. We went up against a very good team. We are still figuring out who we are. Our strength is to run the ball, and they stopped it. We couldn't throw because they sent the house every play and we didn't have enough time in the pocket. seriously.. relax. We were one of 4 teams ( i think ) with both offensive and defensive units in the top 10. I think that is pretty freaking stellar for a first year coach who has never called a game prior to this season (detroit doesn't count!)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

To the Jansen bashers. Didn't we just see last night what we already knew about him? He is vunerable to speed rushers off the edge (a liability compounded by a good 3-4 team with linebackers as good as Woodley and Harrison and a DC like Dick LeBeau). Admittedly I have not been on the site all that much during the first half, but I thought we were willing to live with some of the liabilities that Jansen possesses in order to benefit from his sound run blocking? But now his pass protection is exposed and we want him to fake an injury and retire? You really think Stephon Heyer would have fared much better against Woodley and Harrison last night? Do you base that upon the fact that he got dominated by Tuck in the first game or that he got dominated by the no-name Detroit ends last week? I am just shocked that people are shocked that Jansen struggle to block Pittsburgh's speed rushers. He is what we thought he is, but he is also a better run blocker than Heyer (and I still question how much better Heyer is in pass pro at this point - though someone who has broken down film can enlighten me).

People go back and forth on Jansen by the minute it seems, it's getting to be ridiculous.

Truth is the entire line stunk it up last night, but what concerned me more is we didn't see enough max protect. Zorn really seemed to toss out convention with all the 3 and 4 WR sets. I understand the rationale of "spreading them out", but as we saw that doesn't faze Pitt's aggressive blitz schemes at all. I think we needed more double TE sets, and Zorn clearly bailed on the running game too soon.