On Blache

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How can the D keep the O in the game if the O cannot put points on the board or convert third downs?

What a catch 22?

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by Hog1

What a catch 22?

I would like to point out teams have won that way in the past. Remember the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every single expert that has followed the Redskins has basically said that the defense has done it's job. That Blache and his coaches are doing a nice job considering what they have to work with. These are people that played in the NFL and know more about football than you do. Yet you seem to try and over analyze everything...from some quote Blache said to talking about schemes that you probably know nothing about. Amazing.

I doubt most of the experts you cite has put as much work into figuring out the problem with the team that I have, but that's besides the point. It's sad that you have to take a low blow to discredit me, because you have no idea if I'm wrong, but because you want me to be wrong. Totally classless.

You can cover your eyes and stick your head in the ground if you want to, but his "nice job" probably was responsible for costing the team the playoffs, if you had to put it on any one thing.

Obviously, it's not just one thing. Our roster isn't as deep as it needs to be. Zorn's still feeling his way around at the expensive of offensive efficiency. The offensive line is old, and has really failed to get Portis going in the second half of the year. But we faced two teams in our division at home and definately not playing their best football, and the defense allowed 5.85, and 5.55 yards per play....PER PLAY...to Dallas and New York respectively.

With those offenses basically handicapped at the time we played them, those results are totally unacceptable. We knew going in that to have a chance in those games, we would have to have the advantage on defense. We got outplayed on defense in two must wins and that's not okay with me (three if you could Pittsburgh in the second half).

[warriorzpath]

I don't think Blache and the defense is the problem. On West Coast offensive based teams like the redskins, the offense is the focus and drives the philosophy and identity of this team.

When defense is made to be the goat, I think that logic goes against what this team's philosophy is focused on - which is offense. The offense should drive the redskins and that's where the focus should be placed on first. Even though I like Zorn, Zorn and not Blache should be the target of discussion -when trying to place blame.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I don't think Blache and the defense is the problem. On West Coast offensive based teams like the redskins, the offense is the focus and drives the philosophy and identity of this team.

When defense is made to be the goat, I think that logic goes against what this team's philosophy is focused on - which is offense. The offense should drive the redskins and that's where the focus should be placed on first. Even though I like Zorn, Zorn and not Blache should be the target of discussion -when trying to place blame.

I'm not trying to place blame. I'm simply saying the D isn't going to get any better with Blache.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by MrJL

I'm not trying to place blame. I'm simply saying the D isn't going to get any better with Blache.

It really was not getting any better with Williams either. Yes it was a top 10 every other year but people figured out it's weakness.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Every single expert that has followed the Redskins has basically said that the defense has done it's job. That Blache and his coaches are doing a nice job considering what they have to work with. These are people that played in the NFL and know more about football than you do. Yet you seem to try and over analyze everything...from some quote Blache said to talking about schemes that you probably know nothing about. Amazing.

Ouch, a little harsh considering he watches the games and breaks them down play by play for us. Gtripp knows his stuff, disagree or not there's no reason to cut him down like that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I doubt most of the experts you cite has put as much work into figuring out the problem with the team that I have, but that's besides the point. It's sad that you have to take a low blow to discredit me, because you have no idea if I'm wrong, but because you want me to be wrong. Totally classless.

You can cover your eyes and stick your head in the ground if you want to, but his "nice job" probably was responsible for costing the team the playoffs, if you had to put it on any one thing.

Obviously, it's not just one thing. Our roster isn't as deep as it needs to be. Zorn's still feeling his way around at the expensive of offensive efficiency. The offensive line is old, and has really failed to get Portis going in the second half of the year. But we faced two teams in our division at home and definately not playing their best football, and the defense allowed 5.85, and 5.55 yards per play....PER PLAY...to Dallas and New York respectively.

With those offenses basically handicapped at the time we played them, those results are totally unacceptable. We knew going in that to have a chance in those games, we would have to have the advantage on defense. We got outplayed on defense in two must wins and that's not okay with me (three if you could Pittsburgh in the second half).

I'm not trying to offend you. Sorry if you took it that way. We'll just agree to disagree.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Way to omit Leftwich, Fitzpatrick, Orlovsky, and Bulger because they don't support your argument. Better yet, thanks for checking to see that your argument is bunk, and then trying to throw out selective stats anyway, and hoping I wouldn't notice.

I thought we defended Warner and Brees pretty darn well three months ago. Our offense also averaged 26.5 points between those games, and at the time, was clearly helping to contribute to our team success.

Thanks though, I needed a good chuckle. Carry on.

Talk abut a laugher... wow.... you ARE the best analyist on this site...

1st) Bulger IS listed... 136 passing yards vs Skins... over 40 on the last heave... spectacular.. it's called READING... left to right, top to bottom...

2nd) Leftwich did well, but has not played any other significant time at ALL this season to compare...

3rd) Orlovsky' numbers were break even...60% comp/88 QBR - 58.4% comp/80.3 overall .. definitely NOT much worse against others like YOUR ignorant statement was...

YOU failed to mention Romo, who we played just FOUR games ago who had a 72.4 QBR and 2 Ints in the game. Matter of fact... he had his 2nd & 4th worst QBRs against us (out of 11 games)...

I can keep going...

How about McNabb? 196 yds, 58.6% comp, 0 TDs, 79.1 QBR vs Skins - 60.9% comp,86.7 QBR overall...

or Eli Manning?? 54.3% & 61.8% comp, 61.1 & 88.5 QBRs vs Skins - 60.3% comp, 86.4 overall...

So that leaves ONE QB this ENTIRE 14 GAME SEASON who had a remotely BETTER day than usual.. Ryan Fitzpatrick with an amazing 55% comp and one London Fletcher or Mike Green CATCH away from a QBR in the 60's...

I mean... obviously you WANTED me to call you out on being TOTALLY incorrect by carrying this on... right?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

Talk abut a laugher... wow.... you ARE the best analyist on this site...

1st) Bulger IS listed... 136 passing yards vs Skins... over 40 on the last heave... spectacular.. it's called READING... left to right, top to bottom...

2nd) Leftwich did well, but has not played any other significant time at ALL this season to compare...

3rd) Orlovsky' numbers were break even...60% comp/88 QBR - 58.4% comp/80.3 overall .. definitely NOT much worse against others like YOUR ignorant statement was...

YOU failed to mention Romo, who we played just FOUR games ago who had a 72.4 QBR and 2 Ints in the game. Matter of fact... he had his 2nd & 4th worst QBRs against us (out of 11 games)...

I can keep going...

How about McNabb? 196 yds, 58.6% comp, 0 TDs, 79.1 QBR vs Skins - 60.9% comp,86.7 QBR overall...

or Eli Manning?? 54.3% & 61.8% comp, 61.1 & 88.5 QBRs vs Skins - 60.3% comp, 86.4 overall...

So that leaves ONE QB this ENTIRE 14 GAME SEASON who had a remotely BETTER day than usual.. Ryan Fitzpatrick with an amazing 55% comp and one London Fletcher or Mike Green CATCH away from a QBR in the 60's...

I mean... obviously you WANTED me to call you out on being TOTALLY incorrect by carrying this on... right?

What impresses me most about our defense is we have no pass rush to speak of. Plus how many INT's have we dropped?? If these guys could just catch the ball!!! Also Cinn had most of their yardage on the first few drives. After that Blache adjusted and shut them down. That's what I really like about him and that's a sign of good coaching. He makes adjustments and he's been doing it all year long.

As long as guys are in position to make plays then I can't blame Blache. Rarely have I seen guys out of position this year. When we get beat it's cause the other guy was better. I can accept that. I remember in 06 guys were all over the place, out of position and what not. It seemed Williams was trying to be too cute. Blache seems to keep it more simple.

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

As I said in another thread...

Our Defense (and definitely Blache) is NOT TO BLAME!!

The ONLY stat that matters is POINTS ALLOWED... or am I wrong??

* Our defense has not given up more than 24 points in a game all season (Pittsburgh is only other team to say that) - 12 teams are AVERAGING allowing more than 24 per game!! And one is a playoff team (Arizona)

* OUR defense averages giving up 19.0 per game - 7th in the NFL!!

* Our defense is doing this with an offense that is NOT controlling the clock or punters who are pinning teams back.

* Our defense SEEMS to be the problem because they have NO ROOM FOR ERROR... lol... if they give up 2 touchdowns in one game, we all know it's over (i.e. the Ravens game)

* Look at the games where our D gives in late in the 4th and they were games where our Offense went 3 & out for most of the 1st half (Dallas, Baltimore, Cincinnati) and the D was on the field for much of the day... holding the other team at bay...

Really, when you think about it, Blache deserves A LOT of credit.. I think... We have absolutely no pass rush (which puts pressure on our secondary), but Blache's philosophy is "the team that runs more productively will win the majority of games" ...

So his scheme is allowing us to have a top passing defense (opposing pass offenses have terrible numbers against us - 55% completions & 75.1 QB rating) while still being an above average run stopping team (ranked 10th, 3.8 ypc)... this equals not many points allowed.... WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS...

and although I HATE not getting pressure, the stats above don't lie...

I totally agree with this. The defense's job is to stop the other team from scoring. Giving up 19 per game is more than adequate.... they have given us the chance to win pretty much every game (except Pitt and Giants).

If our offense was as good as our D we would be in the playoffs.

Still need a pass rush though...then the D would be sick.

[Joe Kidd]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Also Cinn had most of their yardage on the first few drives. After that Blache adjusted and shut them down. That's what I really like about him and that's a sign of good coaching. He makes adjustments and he's been doing it all year long.

What happened on that last drive when the Bengals held the ball for something like 8-9 minutes? The Skins have been burned in the 4th quarter a bunch this year, for whatever reason in crunch time they falter. I'm not saying it's all on Blache, but there's just something there that makes you wonder why they can't close teams out in the 4th.

[Joe Kidd]

Originally Posted by MrJL

I would like to point out teams have won that way in the past. Remember the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl?

Thats a rare deal though, not many teams win it all with such poor QB play.

They had one of the best D's in NFL history. If they had just a good defense there's no way they win.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Joe Kidd

What happened on that last drive when the Bengals held the ball for something like 8-9 minutes? The Skins have been burned in the 4th quarter a bunch this year, for whatever reason in crunch time they falter. I'm not saying it's all on Blache, but there's just something there that makes you wonder why they can't close teams out in the 4th.

From what I've seen our guys are just getting ran over in those situations. The coaches can't go out there and tackle can they? They can't make guys get off blocks can they? Who on our front line is good enough to make a stop or a sack when we have to have it? No one.

[Joe Kidd]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

From what I've seen our guys are just getting ran over in those situations. The coaches can't go out there and tackle can they? They can't make guys get off blocks can they? Who on our front line is good enough to make a stop or a sack when we have to have it? No one.

No but he can make adjustments as you say. I'm just not convinced the players are entirely to blame.