Would you accept Michael Vick on the Redskins?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buster

Vick was a great athlete, but not a good QB at all. His passing game was horrible at times and the Falcons didn't get over the playoff hump until he left the team...tells you something, doesn't it? They were also in a Super Bowl just before Vick came to the team. His stay there was one of unfulfilled expectations on the field and a complete piece of trash off the field.

He hasn't even played for several years (well, when and if he ever gets back to some unfortunate team)...so who is to say he can still perform to the level he even did before?

I agree, Vick is a great athlete but his skill set just doesnt match what's needed to be a successful NFL QB (see Vince Young). I'm sure in an all around test of athletic skill Vick would run rings around Matt Ryan but Matt Ryan has the skill set that a successful NFL QB needs and that's why the Falcons were so successful under him and less so under VIck.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Buster

Vick was a great athlete, but not a good QB at all. His passing game was horrible at times and the Falcons didn't get over the playoff hump until he left the team...tells you something, doesn't it? They were also in a Super Bowl just before Vick came to the team. His stay there was one of unfulfilled expectations on the field and a complete piece of trash off the field.

He hasn't even played for several years (well, when and if he ever gets back to some unfortunate team)...so who is to say he can still perform to the level he even did before?

Vick did lead them to the playoffs a few times, including to an NFC Championship game, the Super Bowl predated him by about 3-4 years. They were terrible with and without him over the past 10 years. I agree that as a pure QB, he was not, nor will he ever be a star. As a slash/wildcat qb/athlete I think he could do significant damage for an offense.

I'm not a Vick apologist for his off field actions, I believe in second chances once a debt has been paid to society though.

[Hog1]

Vick is a BAD man.
Trying to rationalize or equate his behavior to eating meat......is silly. I personally have NO desire to add TRASH like this to the team. THAT would make us the Cowboys.........

[Schneed10]

This thread's pretty retarded.

I actually saw somebody compare the cruelty of slaughterhouses where they kill animals for food to the cruelty of Vick's dogfighting.

Stiffler, f*ck! I mean, why do you have to be so insensitive.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

Sign Vick, run the "wildcat", eat hamburgers at half-time.

No serve Hot Dogs at half-time. LOL

[30gut]

If we needed a QB yes i would accept Vick.
But, we don't.
I bet that if Vick truely has 'changed' and was committed to football 100% he would be an apt pupil for Zorn.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Buster

Vick was a great athlete, but not a good QB at all. His passing game was horrible at times and the Falcons didn't get over the playoff hump until he left the team...tells you something, doesn't it?

For the sake of being factual, the Falcons made the playoffs in 2002, beating the Packers in Lambeau. They also made the playoffs in 2004, making it all the way to the NFC Championship game. Vick was the quarterback in both of those seasons.

[SBXVII]

I say no unless he's extremely cheap. I like to think positively and say that hopefully he has learned his lesson after paying his debt to society. I would also like to think part of his punishment would be to make public service announcements for PETA.

My main concern is not his whole animal issue. People around the world treat animals differently and that includes people within the U.S. I would not train an animal to fight and I would not kill the animal with my bare hands or torture a pet. However, I believe people humanizing pets way too much. I can remember taking a dog to the vet and it only cost between $50-$150 dollars. Now vets want to be treated like doctors and an office visit is $75-$100 dollars not including anything you have done to the animal. I understand new medicine and new techniques and new equipement enable the vet to do more things but when you spend under $400 for your dog or pick him up practically free from the pound and then your spending more on one visit to the vet then the whole cost of the dog is rediculous. I think we are in an age where we need to look into pet insurance to cover the cost of anything the animal needs medically do to high costs. I laugh every time someone tells me their vet bill was $2000 ..X-rays, endoscopy, surgery....

My issues with Vick are due to his non-marijuana use. Remember he denied using it. lol. but how many times did he almost get caught in the airport? It just seems it was always around him but he was not a user. My other issue is it seemed he was the team. When he was not in the team played as a team as they are now. But when he was with the team he was a one man show. Coach's tried to make him a pocket passer and it never worked. He's better off passing rolling out or scrambling. Don't get me wrong he was a threat everytime he had the ball but I'm not sure if his issues are worth the head ache. Only if he knows he is second fiddle or third string. I can't for the life of me figure out what he would teach our QB's though. He was never confortable being a WCO pocket passer.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Vick is a cold-hearted piece of human garbage. Even if we were guaranteed a Super Bowl....NO WAY!!!!

If I'm Goddell no way Vick gets back in the NFL. For those saying "he has a right to make a living", you are correct. Once his debt to society is paid, he has a right to be gainfully employeed if a company wants to hire a convicted felon. My company sure wouldn't, if I did a small fraction of what Vick did it would be a very cold day in hell before my company would hire me back. If the CFL, Arena or the new start-up league want him fine, but he would never wear the NFL logo again if I was commish.

For you folks trying to equate eating meat with torturing / killing dogs and forcing them to bite/claw/chew each other to death over the course of 15 min to an hour and to not only watch but RUN THE WHOLE OPERATION...give me an f-ing break. I love a good steak, and I tend to believe most meat in the U.S. is produced fairly humanely with minimal fear/pain/suffering to the animals.

From a purely football perspective, he was a poor QB definitely not a WCO guy. The "Wildcat" is a fad that D-Coordinators will have completely stopped by early in the '09 season, he has lost speed which was really his only asset, no way Snyder would take on that kind of negative publicity for the Skins anyway.

[ridgely]

No way. If he comes to the Redskins I'm done as a STH and a fan.

[dmek25]

as a football player, yes. as a human being, no. that's up to ownership to decide. and ss33, your company discriminates against people with a record. i personally dont want thugs on the team i root for

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Convicted felon who ran illegal gambling/dog-fighting ring signs with... the Dallas Cowboys.

(we should just pass on this one).

oakland raiders will take vick he is a cancer and total loser piece of #$%&

[44ever]

Think of what it takes to hold a struggling dog uderwater until it dies. Could you bring yourself to do it? It takes a dark twisted person to do that of his own will. I agree he paid for his crime. But that doesn't change what he is inside. He has the right to employment but not as a representative of/in the NFL. IMO

I'm not that desperate to win. Not that he could do anything for us anyway!
I'll stick with JC thank you.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Think of what it takes to hold a struggling dog uderwater until it dies. Could you bring yourself to do it? It takes a dark twisted person to do that of his own will. I agree he paid for his crime. But that doesn't change what he is inside. He has the right to employment but not as a representative of/in the NFL. IMO

I'm not that desperate to win. Not that he could do anything for us anyway!
I'll stick with JC thank you.

Spin the humanity BS any way you want, 44 got it right.........BAD MAN, and we DON'T need more problems. We need more solutions.

MV will make a nice....Cowboy
WWJ2D

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

as a football player, yes. as a human being, no. that's up to ownership to decide. and ss33, your company discriminates against people with a record. i personally dont want thugs on the team i root for

To be accurate, discrimination is the wrong term. Employers are not permitted to deny opportunity for employment based on race, religion, gender, age, or nationality. So says Amendment 16 of the US Constitution, thereby qualifying as discrimination.

There are no laws against denying employment opportunity against those with criminal records. This is perfectly legal, done all the time, and something I wholeheartedly support.