Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job

[davy]

Cheers Matty, I'd forgotten Sam Mills had passed away.

I stand corrected, four.

[mooby]

Honestly I think this is a great pairing. G-Will might be just the guy to take that underachieving unit and turn it into something good. He's already got a nice pair of bookends in Will Smith and Charles Grant (even though they underachieved last season), he's got a young guy in Sedrick Ellis who is supposed to be an up and comer, and with Vilma at mike and a pretty decent linebacking corps all he has to do is fix up the secondary and they should be a pretty good defensive team. I wouldn't be suprised if he had that defense turned around next season.

[Defensewins]

Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

You know, I was never really a Grilliams guy and never thought much of him as a HC 'replacement' but that being said I think you could be right or at least if there was a 'two year' ultimatum in place as rumored, he and Saunders should have had that two years to build off of their existing work and then blow it up if it didn't sustain or improve.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

You bring up a good point. While Snyder is not as bad as someone like Al Davis, Snyder does turn off people like Davis.
There is another thread about Gruden getting fired. On it folks speculated and also joked about Gruden going back to the Raiders. Then they go and describe a situation where top coaches will not want to coach the Raiders as long as Davis is there.
Sndyer and the Redskins do need to be careful. While the Redskins are not as bad a situation as the Raiders, there certainly was not a line of top coaches at Snyder's door wanting in.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.

Well a lot of rookies have losing seasons (i.e. Cam Cameron's 1-15), so while I'm not happy with 8-8, I'm glad we didn't do worst.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well a lot of rookies have losing seasons (i.e. Cam Cameron's 1-15), so while I'm not happy with 8-8, I'm glad we didn't do worst.

There were two Rookie coaches (Atlanta & Miami) that made the playoffs.
I like Zorn, but the jury is still out on this coaching staff. They took a playoff team and regressed. I thought at the time that Williams and Saunders should been given at least a chance to see what they can do. We took an even bigger chance on Zorn who was not even a Offensive coordinator.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.

We could have been 4-12 like the Jags.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

Good point... possible Williams just isn't HC material.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Good point... possible Williams just isn't HC material.

Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have. Would anybody be happy with 6-10 in Zorns 3rd year? If you can't do any better than that after 3 years....see ya. I'd say give Zorn 3 years like Williams had before declaring Williams a better HC.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have.

Zorn was hired to be the offensive coordinator of a team that had an average offense last year. With the same players, he managed to score less points that the 0-16 Detroit Lions. Record aside, he failed miserably on his side of the ball. Hopefully, he will do better next year.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have.

Das wud I'm tawkin bout 53! Tired of it. You can't compare what one team did and another didn't. Out of all 32 teams in the NFL. Who had to open against the Super Bowl Champs? Redskins did! That could have set the tempo for a 4-12 season but we overcame the loss. I didn't see any other team have to start there season like that.

Secondly if we had played Miami of the Falcons in the first part of the season. Redskins and our rookie HC would have tore them up. It's all about circumstanses. Next season will be better. Count on it!