If you were Vinny, what would you do to keep your job?

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Can we not subtly compare Jason Campbell to Kordell Stewart?

Especially if your definition of "pro style QB" is Roethlisberger. For everything he does do well, operate efficiently from the pocket and make good pre snap reads are not among them.

I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.

[The Goat]

Believe I read Big Ben is the most accurate passer in the league since his rookie year... i still think he's a wank.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

I wasnt comparing them but if you want me to I will. I only stated what is a fact, once the Steelers got rid of KS after many years of trying to make him work they finally had success because the offense could finally score points. I get a chuckle out out of people that like to dis BR when all he has done since he came into the league is win a Super Bowl and take his team deep into the playoffs every year. For someone that cant operate from the pocket and make good pre-snap reads, he sure has been successful. FYI, a pro style QB drops back and throws the ball, he runs only when he has to. If you watch NFL games you can see that's what a pro style QB does. Thats what BR does which is why he's a pro style QB.

I think you are trying to imply that Jason Campbell isn't a pro-style QB. Which, if your prototype of the term is Roethlisberger, is worth many chuckles.

There's no doubt that Roethlisberger has had a successful five year career to date. Being a "pro-style QB" has little, if anything to do with that.

I mean, all you have to do is say what you mean. I'm just doing my best to read between the lines on your posts.

[GTripp0012]

I am in no way trying to imply that Ben Roethlisberger is not a bigger/better/winninger player than Kordell Stewart. Just that, Jason Campbell to Stewart is a real, real dumb comparison for a whole bunch of reasons. You didn't explicitly say that, but that's what I thought you were getting at when I read what you wrote.

[DarkKnight]

Trade away ARE, Springs, Smoot, and Carter- get the best we can out of trading those guys away.

resign - Hall is a must. M.U.S.T.
restructure J.Taylor - he needs to comeback
take our 13th pick and take C.J. Spiller - Clemsons
sign - Birk C from Minn.
I was high on Hanynesworth - I say pass but if we must get him then do, but if we dont need him - not a big deal to me now.
draft a OL in the 3rd Rd.
dont sign any WR from FA
I'm Banking on Devin Thomas will be ready for spring training.
as the clear cut #2
QB comp. between Campbell and Brennen/ 3rd free agent QB ????
move Jansen to LG
I think C.J. Spiller is a clone of Chris Johnson
I move Landry to SS
and Horton to FS, let him rome the field.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If I were ME, and I had Vinnys Job, I would:

Coaching Staff
-Keep Everyone in place but make Zorn relinquish some of his duties (I would allow Zorn to keep playcalling duties, beleiving that he would improve in that area if he had fewer responsibilities elsewhere)

Resign
-DeAngelo Hall.
-Monty

Cut
Of starters: Griffin, Rabach, Washington, Taylor, both kickers

Trade
-Santana Moss (3rd and 4th rounders - for kicks, lets say we trade with SF. They get more out of Moss in 2 games than we ever got out of Lloyd in 2 seaons)
-kedric Golston (4th rounder)
-Chris Horton (low 2nd rounder)

Sign in Free Agency
-Rocky Bernard, DT, Seahawks. He will be 30 when the 2009 season starts and I would sign him to a contract appropriate for someone his age. He managed 33 tackles and 4 sacks on a horrible defense in 2008. He would replace Golston and give us time to develop a young DT in the draft.
-Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona. His stock will keep rising as long as Arizona keeps winning. He may become too expensive for us, but we'll see.
-Devery Henderson, UFA, New Orleans Saints. Replaces Moss.
-Two new kickers... anyone but the guys we have.

Draft
Trade the #13 pick to ATL for their 1st and 2nd Rounders (ATL selects 24th) and draft:

1(ATL): Ciron Black, OT, LSU. Black starts at RT in 2009 and swaps spots with Samuels in 2010.
2(ATL): Max Unger, C, Oregon Unger replaces Rabach immediately and has the versatility to play OG as well.
2(For C.H.): Fili Moala, DE/DT, USC Maola is also versatile and a good pick here if still available.
3(SF): Clay Mathews, OLB, USC Replaces McIntosh as a starter by the end of the season
3(WAS): Eric Moncur, DE, Miami Makes an instant impact on special teams as he works his way into a starting role in 2010.
4(SF) Anthony Parker, G, Tenn Project Guard to start in 2010/2011
4(For K.G) Captain Munnerlyn, CB, SC #3/#4CB
5(WAS):Curtis Taylor, FS, LSU Competes for roster spot.
6(WAS):Darryl Richard, DT, GT Competes for roster spot.

2009 Offensive Starters
QB:Jason Campbell
RB: Clinton Portis (splits carries with Betts)
WR1: Devin Thomas
WR2: Devery Henderson
TE1: Chris Cooley
TE2: Fred Davis (2TE sets becomes our standard formation as opposed to 1TE/1FB)
OL: Samuels, Rinehart, Unger, Thomas, Black

2009 Defensive Starters
DL: Carter, Montgommery, Bernard, Evans/Moala
LB: McIntosh, Fletcher, Dansby
CB: Rogers, Hall
SS: Landry
FS: Springs (when healthy)/Moore

The one guy I would not trade is Horton.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by DarkKnight

Trade away ARE, Springs, Smoot, and Carter- get the best we can out of trading those guys away.

resign - Hall is a must. M.U.S.T.
restructure J.Taylor - he needs to comeback
take our 13th pick and take C.J. Spiller - Clemsons
sign - Birk C from Minn.
I was high on Hanynesworth - I say pass but if we must get him then do, but if we dont need him - not a big deal to me now.
draft a OL in the 3rd Rd.
dont sign any WR from FA
I'm Banking on Devin Thomas will be ready for spring training.
as the clear cut #2
QB comp. between Campbell and Brennen/ 3rd free agent QB ????
move Jansen to LG
I think C.J. Spiller is a clone of Chris Johnson
I move Landry to SS
and Horton to FS, let him rome the field.

CJ Spiller announced today he has decided to return to school despite receiving a 1st round grade from the NFL Draft advisory committee. Stupid move IMO. If you can get paid 1st round $$ at a position as injury prone as RB, you take it when you can. I'm of the opinion that if you're a shoo-in first round pick, you go pro. You can always get your degree when you're done making a fortune.

I agree about the Chris Johnson comparison. They are similar in size and running style.

[The Goat]

What? Why the hell take a RB w/ our first pick in the draft? It's almost on the level of grabbing another WR.

[Trample the Elderly]

Revoke all special priveldges.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What? Why the hell take a RB w/ our first pick in the draft? It's almost on the level of grabbing another WR.

I wasn't saying the Skins should draft a RB. By "take it," I meant CJ Spiller is holding the proverbial winning lottery ticket (a 1st round pick right now), and he's not cashing it.

I'd like to add a RB with homerun ability if possible, but not at the expense of building our lines, and definitely not with our 1st pick.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I wasn't saying the Skins should draft a RB. By "take it," I meant CJ Spiller is holding the proverbial winning lottery ticket (a 1st round pick right now), and he's not cashing it.

I'd like to add a RB with homerun ability if possible, but not at the expense of building our lines, and definitely not with our 1st pick.

Sorry i must be a little slow tonight. Just so I understand you mean take the guy to trade for more picks or current players right?

Anyway, a speedster back would be sweet but IMHO we're wasting the talent we've got @ RB right now in that we don't utilize Betts or Portis to their respective strengths. Betts should be running between the tackles in the first half and mixing things up catching passes out of the backfield. Portis should be our "finisher" starting in the 3rd and stretching plays out much longer than we currently see.

(of course this all assumes we upgrade the o-line as you mentioned)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Sorry i must be a little slow tonight. Just so I understand you mean take the guy to trade for more picks or current players right?

Anyway, a speedster back would be sweet but IMHO we're wasting the talent we've got @ RB right now in that we don't utilize Betts or Portis to their respective strengths. Betts should be running between the tackles in the first half and mixing things up catching passes out of the backfield. Portis should be our "finisher" starting in the 3rd and stretching plays out much longer than we currently see.

(of course this all assumes we upgrade the o-line as you mentioned)

Maybe I should edit my original post. I do not, repeat, do not want to draft a RB with our 1st pick. O-line or LB. Period.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Maybe I should edit my original post. I do not, repeat, do not want to draft a RB with our 1st pick. O-line or LB. Period.

got it

[DarkKnight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What? Why the hell take a RB w/ our first pick in the draft? It's almost on the level of grabbing another WR.

Remember the Titans??? last year they were dogged for taking Chirs Johnson :duh:

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

First on RT, I totally agree an improvement is needed. Jansen can't pass block and Heyer can't run block. Simple as that. That's one position where I'd absolutely make my move, and would probably use the first rounder on it.

Or sign Vernon Carey. But yeah RT is definitely an area that needs improvement. Jansen isn't going to get any better, and Heyer is probably destined to be a strong backup

On Washington I totally agree he's too injury prone and not effective enough. That's why I have the team cutting him in my cap thread.

Agreed, but they are really hurting in the LB department. I'd like to see them go after Dansby in free agency. Short of that, I do like Sean Witherspoon out of Missouri as a mid-round pick if we can secure some extra picks. Getting him would mean moving Rocky to the SAM, which could actually be the best fit for him anyway. It will be interesting to see what the Redskins might attempt to do with Alfred Fincher.

On Springs, I don't agree. Springs was STILL the best CB on our team last year when healthy, and I don't see any chronic medical conditions that would lead me to believe he'll be unhealthy next year. Remember, just last year he played all 16 games for us. If you have arthritic knees or something that will nag you all season, that's one thing. But to have an acute calf injury to a guy who stays in shape with the best of them and to say he'll be hurt all year - there's no reason that's accurate.

The team is better when he's on the field, whether it's at safety or at cornerback. I think his fragility is overrated, but we do need to start taking into account his age.

On Griffin, they gu misses a few games each season, has for the past five years. I could go either way on him. On one hand it's not like he's missing tons of time, but on the other he does get hit with nagging things which he plays through, but reduces his effectiveness. But you can't argue with his ability to clog running lanes, he's still a big reason we ended up doing so well against the run. I really don't see how a Rocky Bernard is an upgrade, other than the health factor.

I wish we had another strong interior defensive linemen to line up with Montgomery as the starter then make either Daniels or Griffin the backup. A solid veteran who can play a few downs a game but not someone we need to count on to carry us for the majority of the game or season