Cooley comments on Jason Taylor

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The team has gotten rid of older players (Washington, Springs, possibly Kendall) and brought young players (Haynesworth, Dock, adn Hall). The old Skins would have given Jason Taylor a new fat contract last year, and this year they would have overpaid for TJ Housh this year. Not to mention that the team is building through the draft (3 young receivers last year, and the possibility of a stud o-lineman this year). While making a splash by signing Haynesworth is very Snyderesque, I think they are slowly learning.

You know, that's a good point. If we would have seen Ray Lewis, Housh and a 3 year extension for Springs and Taylor then I could definitely sign off on 'same old Redskins' but like John Clayton said, since when is signing the best defensive lineman in the league a bad thing? There's a lot of prejudice when it comes to free agency that we buy into. I'm not trying to be a Snyderatto apologist but just because we spent a lot of $ (2 players with Redskins pedigree no less) doesn't equate to same old same old.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You know, that's a good point. If we would have seen Ray Lewis, Housh and a 3 year extension for Springs and Taylor then I could definitely sign off on 'same old Redskins' but like John Clayton said, since when is signing the best defensive lineman in the league a bad thing? There's a lot of prejudice when it comes to free agency that we buy into. I'm not trying to be a Snyderatto apologist but just because we spent a lot of $ (2 players with Redskins pedigree no less) doesn't equate to same old same old.

good post

apologist...that is something I have never understood..

why people who get excited about the buzz of being a fan of a team..that actually tries to win it all..that they should be monolithic? Free Agency is a blast in the middle of the stinking winter

I dig what Snyder does to get attention and make the team better..there's no place where I need to apologize for that..no other team.. their fans.. or journalist I need to explain that to

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by irish

Vinny & Co. never learn their lesson just look at this offseason. The Skins are back to their free spending ways for players I am afraid at the end of the day wont make much of a difference. I'd have rather had them get 4 $20 mil lineman instead of 1 for $100mil. As long as DS & Vinny are in charge this team will continue to rule the off season and be also-rans once the season starts.

Well you have to realize that the contract isn't 100 mil it's really 4 years for 48 mil or something like that. Either way it's a shit load of money for a DT and one guy isn't going to make a huge difference ( unless it's a QB) so I agree with you. This isn't basketball. I like what the Giants are doing. Add some less expensive pieces to an already good team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You know, that's a good point. If we would have seen Ray Lewis, Housh and a 3 year extension for Springs and Taylor then I could definitely sign off on 'same old Redskins' but like John Clayton said, since when is signing the best defensive lineman in the league a bad thing? There's a lot of prejudice when it comes to free agency that we buy into. I'm not trying to be a Snyderatto apologist but just because we spent a lot of $ (2 players with Redskins pedigree no less) doesn't equate to same old same old.

It's not a bad thing if there isn't going to be a salary cap. But if there is one then I'm not paying a DT 12 mil a year. One DT doesn't impact a game the way a QB does and he's getting paid Tom Brady money.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well you have to realize that the contract isn't 100 mil it's really 4 years for 48 mil or something like that. Either way it's a *** load of money for a DT and one guy isn't going to make a huge difference ( unless it's a QB) so I agree with you. This isn't basketball. I like what the Giants are doing. Add some less expensive pieces to an already good team.

Ya know, I have never been anti-Giants, but I swear after listening to so many members here gush at the Giants off season moves I think I may :vomit:.
Recapping:
they now have 7 starting linemen all with solid salary cap numbers, not all 7 can play at once, a good 2nd year safety, so they go out and add a safety, don't do anything for their cornerback position. and on offense they let one of their EWF crew go to another team, don't upgrade the line(backups), don't upgrade receivers.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You know, that's a good point. If we would have seen Ray Lewis, Housh and a 3 year extension for Springs and Taylor then I could definitely sign off on 'same old Redskins' but like John Clayton said, since when is signing the best defensive lineman in the league a bad thing? There's a lot of prejudice when it comes to free agency that we buy into. I'm not trying to be a Snyderatto apologist but just because we spent a lot of $ (2 players with Redskins pedigree no less) doesn't equate to same old same old.

Very well said. The issue in the past was a) trading draft picks for mediocre/ washed up players and b) signing mediocre/washed up players who didn't improve the team. Indeed, a lot of these high profile moves famously and disastrously flopped. But that doesn't mean there is something inherently wrong with signing big name free agents, it just means you have to sign the right ones. People seem to forget about the 07 Patriots trading 3 draft picks for wide receivers including a famous malcontent, overpaying another underachieving receiver, and breaking the bank on Adalius Thomas...and proceeding to go 16-0! My point being that, as obvious as it sounds, signing good players makes your team better! Signing bad players doesn't! And does anyone really not think Haynesworth is going to be good?

Interestingly it was the Jason Taylor trade that epitomized the "old-Skins" and yet that move didn't prompt nearly the media vitriol that this year's splurge has.

[irish]

Originally Posted by terpsez11

good post

apologist...that is something I have never understood..

why people who get excited about the buzz of being a fan of a team..that actually tries to win it all..that they should be monolithic? Free Agency is a blast in the middle of the stinking winter

I dig what Snyder does to get attention and make the team better..there's no place where I need to apologize for that..no other team.. their fans.. or journalist I need to explain that to

I guess one could argue if what DS is doing really makes the team better. IMO it doesnt since signing big $ FAs hasnt gotten the team anywhere.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well you have to realize that the contract isn't 100 mil it's really 4 years for 48 mil or something like that. Either way it's a shit load of money for a DT and one guy isn't going to make a huge difference ( unless it's a QB) so I agree with you. This isn't basketball. I like what the Giants are doing. Add some less expensive pieces to an already good team.

IMO for that kind of $ they could have rebuilt the entire line instead of just plugging in 1 player who like you said isnt really going to make much of a difference. If they had to spend that $ I'd have liked to see them take a run at Cassell. That is the position that is really holding this team back.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ya know, I have never been anti-Giants, but I swear after listening to so many members here gush at the Giants off season moves I think I may :vomit:.
Recapping:
they now have 7 starting linemen all with solid salary cap numbers, not all 7 can play at once, a good 2nd year safety, so they go out and add a safety, don't do anything for their cornerback position. and on offense they let one of their EWF crew go to another team, don't upgrade the line(backups), don't upgrade receivers.

I'm with you CRedskinsRule, I don't get it either.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO for that kind of $ they could have rebuilt the entire line instead of just plugging in 1 player who like you said isnt really going to make much of a difference. If they had to spend that $ I'd have liked to see them take a run at Cassell. That is the position that is really holding this team back.

Huh, come on back to earth dude. An entire line..? For a four year deal for 48 mil, since when....? Your out of touch with reality on price tags. Just look around the league at what some of the other upper tier FA player contracts reeled in.

For what logical reason is AH (The BEST DT in the league) not going to be a difference maker for the SKINS?

[tryfuhl]

He never seemed like he wanted to be here anytime he was on video anyways.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Huh, come on back to earth dude. An entire line..? For a four year deal for 48 mil, since when....? Your out of touch with reality on price tags. Just look around the league at what some of the other upper tier FA player contracts reeled in.

For what logical reason is AH (The BEST DT in the league) not going to be a difference maker for the SKINS?

I mis-spoke when I said rebuild. I wasnt talking about loading up the line with upper tier players. I was talking about bringing in mid tier guys that can be in a position to outplay their contract. There is no way AH can outplay his contract.

I dont have a problem with the AH signing, I just think the $ could have been spend on more players that could have had a larger group impact.

I think AH can be a good player for the Skins but he's not going to be the difference in this team getting to the playoff. This team doesnt score points and AH isnt going to change that. Getting Cassell might have changed that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

I mis-spoke when I said rebuild. wasnt talking about loading up the line with upper tier players. I was talking about bringing in mid tier guys that can be in a position to outplay their contract. There is no way AH can outplay his contract.

I think AH can be a good player for the Skins but he's not going to be the difference in this team getting to the playoff. This team doesnt score points and AH isnt going to change that.

Actually, I will predict with confidence that we will see more pick six'es directly due to these free agency signings then we had all last season. and again, I can think of several games where a pick six would have turned the tide for us (and one SB where it definitely was a key in the win)

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually, I will predict with confidence that we will see more pick six'es directly due to these free agency signings then we had all last season. and again, I can think of several games where a pick six would have turned the tide for us (and one SB where it definitely was a key in the win)

It wouldnt take much to improve on last season's pick 6 total so I predict your prediction will come true.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

I mis-spoke when I said rebuild. I wasnt talking about loading up the line with upper tier players. I was talking about bringing in mid tier guys that can be in a position to outplay their contract. There is no way AH can outplay his contract.

I dont have a problem with the AH signing, I just think the $ could have been spend on more players that could have had a larger group impact.

I think AH can be a good player for the Skins but he's not going to be the difference in this team getting to the playoff. This team doesnt score points and AH isnt going to change that. Getting Cassell might have changed that.

not if he is going to have a larger salary cap hit, where would we build the larger group impact that you spoke of?