Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And Jumpy Geathers.

And Matt Millen and Brad Edwards. There were very few articles about the team in those days that failed to mention all these guys (and that Casserly signed them) Why else would the name Fred Stokes be burned into my brain. I think Casserly was eager to let the press know that he had added the final pieces to the puzzle.

The typical 10th paragraph of an off-season article on the Skins would read something like:

"The Redskins were able to utilize Plan B free agency much more effectively than most teams around the league... blah, blah, blah ....critical to their Super Bowl victory... blah, blah, blah." I probably read that a hundred different times. I spent the entire decade of the 90's wishing that "Plan B" free agency had ended up as "Plan A" free agency because Casserly was so much better at the former than he was at the latter.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brad Johnson did have a helluva year in '99 though, and we made the playoffs. But thanks to Danny we lost out on the chance for some stability at the QB spot for the next 5-6 years.

Bastard got rid of Gus!!!!!! If you gave the guy some bona fide WR's and shore up the safety positions and D line to help Darrell we would have been a decent team for longer than '99!! Damn, we still need these things in '09!!!!!

No, all kidding aside Casserly would help us out a lot I think. Maybe actually formulate a real plan on bringing us back as a regular playoff team. The FO still seems to shoot from the hip come draft time.

[SirClintonPortis]

He's got the theory right. It's just that he didn't get the talent, meaning that he or his staff didn't have the best eye for talent. D. Howard is forgivable though; I heard Gibbs wanted Howard.

[MTK]

Funny how some seem to totally gloss over what Casserly did, or didn't do, in Houston.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Funny how some seem to totally gloss over what Casserly did, or didn't do, in Houston.

Well see we seem to have a lot of people who are willing to forgive all the stuff Casserly "did" wrong (in this case "did" is defined in the same way a lot of the same people define it as it pertains to Vinny) and give a lot of credit for things he barely had a hand in.

Seriously...look at their records on the actions/decison they actually took. Casserly hasn't hit on any more personell decisions than Vinny has. Even when you factor in all the decisions that haven't worked out in rcent memory that Vinny had little to do with but so often gets hammered for.

[53Fan]

Hind-sight is not always 20-20. But Casserly is a smart man.

[Nflnick11]

He is smart but should stick to analyizing the draft, but bringing him in here as a scout, would be a better solution, and if the players he recruits turn out good then you could move him to GM

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

If I read the summary of Cerrato's interview with Doc correctly, I guess he said that when he was in San Fran (Vinny is required by law to mention either SF or ND in all pressers) they knew Stubblefield was just looking to get paid.

Cerrato was in SF when Stubby was starting to “blow up” so they were trying get rid of him and trade him somewhere. Their play was to get picks to trade up in the draft to the 22nd spot with Jacksonville to draft Reynaldo Wynn. Funny how things work out. Anyway, Cerrato was very familiar with Stubby and knew he only wanted to get paid.

Thank You BHA, if I may call you that.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So you would be happy if Snyder replaced Vinny with Matt Millen? He fits your criteria as an ex GM. How about Tom Donahoe, Rick Speilman, Ken Herrock, Rich McKay or anyone else reviled by their former fan bases?

Ok...ok...you (and others) make a good point.
Vinny aint the worst GM...but he is certainly not top tier.

I retract my statement

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

[53Fan]

If he'd draft Alex Mack, yeah.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

I agree. I don't think Snyder is even aware that he's creating an environment that makes it nearly impossible to call the shots with efficiency and effectivness, but it seems like that's the case.